Xref: utzoo comp.periphs:1603 comp.sys.mac:28211 Path: utzoo!utgpu!utstat!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!apple!rutgers!cmcl2!ccnysci!alexis From: alexis@ccnysci.UUCP (Alexis Rosen) Newsgroups: comp.periphs,comp.sys.mac Subject: Impulse drives from Quantum/Plus Message-ID: <1397@ccnysci.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 89 14:56:33 GMT Reply-To: alexis@ccnysci.UUCP (Alexis Rosen) Organization: City College of New York Lines: 45 A little while ago David Buerger wrote in InfoWorld about these hard disks, which he claimed would "revolutionize network storage." These drives are similar to the regular Quantum 3.5" SCSI drives in aat and capacity (19ms, 40 or 80MB) and the presence of a 64K cache. Instead of SCSI, they use an interface called CDI (Cluster Disk Interface). While these specs are good, I don't understand why these disks impress him. To start with, he says that the claimed transfer rate is in excess of 4MBytes/sec. This is almost an order of magnitude faster than the transfer speeds I've witnessed on a Mac II (true, it was using SCSI, but SCSI is capable of greater speed, even on a Mac II - with the Wrens, for example). More importantly (and less comprehensibly, to me) is his criticism of SCSI. "The CDI data transfer rate is 512 bytes per transaction vs. SCSI's 1 byte." Is that true? It sounds utterly bogus to me (who in their right minds would create a protocal with 1-byte transfers?) but I'm not a SCSI expert. Buerger also says that distributing tasks over multiple spindles helps performance. This is ancient wisdom, to say the least. The problem is that he says that this strategy is NOT useful over SCSI because there will be contention between the drives: "[SCSI's] weakness is that SCSI is a device interface. This results in slower data transfer due to translation overhead as multiple drives contend with each other." This appears to be several kinds of nonsense. What is "translation overhead?" Does he mean collision? I don't think that can happen on SCSI, especially if there's just one master device (tha Mac, or an IBM AT controller card). Now I know that when you have separate controllers on, say, a VAX, you can improve performance, but ultimately the bottleneck of one bus is going to hit you. And this impulse drive uses only one controller, also. So it's limited in exactly the way SCSI is. (Which is not to say that multiple spindles won't still be a big win.) So what's going on? Is he talking through his hat, or am I totally wrong? I know enough about this stuff to get myself into trouble, but not quite enough to get out... Thanks Alexis Rosen alexis@ccnysci.uucp