Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!microsoft!brianw
From: brianw@microsoft.UUCP (Brian Willoughby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: AppleSupport(wasre:ughh and the GS
Summary: Amen !
Message-ID: <12373@microsoft.UUCP>
Date: 19 Mar 89 01:40:33 GMT
References: <8903122241.aa08619@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> <6117@bsu-cs.UUCP>
Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA
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In article <6117@bsu-cs.UUCP>, jbwaters@bsu-cs.UUCP (J. Brian Waters) writes:
> In article <8903122241.aa08619@SMOKE.BRL.MIL>, RXBROWN@UALR.BITNET ("MR.FANTASTIC") writes:
> > as impressive. It was also kind of hard to tell them the GS only ran at
> >2.5Mhz.
> 
> Clock speeds only compare among members of the same processor. If you remember
> the trs-80 vs Apple ][ debates of long ago,  a 1 MHz 6502 would beat a 2 MHz
> z80 on almost all benchmarks...  
> 
I have also heard (and wish I could find the article) that the 1 MHz 6502 beat
the 4.77 MHz 8086 on several benchmarks!  Also, one day when I was trying to
write a very tight loop for the 65802 (and dreaming about owning a 68000), I
got out the data books and found the 65802 to be twice as efficient as a 68000
(at the same clock speed, that is).  The routine exclusively used register
variables on the 68000, so I assume the results would favor the 65802 even more
if the problem required referencing more variables outside the 68000 registers.
So think of the 7 MHz TransWarp GS as ~14 MHz 68000 - I can hardly wait for 10
MHz!  I wonder if anyone is interested in doing a professional benchmark of the
6502?

> >Just remember, We were here second and the first one went for busniess market
> >Everybody else learned from our mistakes, but we are still alive and kicking.
> 
> I assume "we" refers to Apple?  Apple was where second?  Who was first?  IBM?
> If that is who you are thinking of your cronology is a bit off...   Apple was
> one of the early players in the turnkey micro market.  It was one of the first
> that came with Basic in ROM in a pretty case etc... and was part of the second
> generation of micros after the Altair etc.. along with the PET and TRS-80... 
> IBM did not come out till 82-83 with their micro...  and something that I love
> to show people telling my I should buy an IBM since it has so much software is
> a review in BYTE saying "The IBM PC is nice, but it does not have the software
> for it that the Apple ][ has etc...."
> 
One fact I love to rub in when people mistakenly give IBM first credit:
The first IBM PC came out six months after Apple Computer went public in the
largest stock offering since the Ford Motor Company went public in the '50s.
They sold enough stock in one day to take in $100 million!  I think that this
is what opened IBM's eyes.  Also note, there were over 1000 programs available
for the II from various third-party vendors when the IBM PC was announced.


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