Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!apple!mattd From: mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Complaining to Apple Message-ID: <27559@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 19 Mar 89 19:26:43 GMT Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA Lines: 73 Kareth, please realize I'm not picking on you. It's just been your messages that I finally hit reply to. If you folks, Apple's customers, think that Apple has been negligent in support and enhancement of the Apple II line, then you should tell Apple. Exactly *how* this should be accomplished is a completely separate topic. I will venture this much, though -- Apple is a large company with a large installed base of customers. I *personally* (see the disclaimer below) believe that it would take a significant amount of letters/emails/phone calls, all arriving to the same place at pretty much the same time to make anyone's jaws drop. There is a tendency among people who fanatically believe in what they do that those who disagree are merely misinformed. I can speak from experience; I feel this way about Apple II File Type Notes. My purpose in them is to publish the file formats of applications in a consistent published format so that a programmer who can understand one note can understand them all. It's a two-foldbattle to get people not only to disclose their formats, but to let me translatethem into File Type Note format, so that I don't have 200 notes out with 200 separate formats. True, publishing a format as the "C" structure it was designed as does add a little clarity - but it's then completely useless to those who don't speak "C". The same principle can apply to Apple in some cases -- a group of extremely talented people who believe what they do is not only their best, but the best possible. Those who disagree just may not understand the situation. If a large number of Apple customers believe that Apple is doing them wrong, then either Apple must change its ways to retain those customers, or Apple must convince those customers that they have not been wronged. Neither will happen if Apple is not aware that there is a large-scale customer satisfaction problem. I would not wish the organization of such a protest/communcation on anyone whom I held to be a friend. Not only would the word have to get out to write letters or send E-mail or telephone on such-and-such a day (form letters tend to be ignored by large companies), the follow-up to make sure it actually happened would be essential. Nothing would hurt any cause more than to have a well- publicized protest effort, only to find when the day arrived that about 200 people were all that participated. It would lead those being protested against (Apple, in this example) to believe that the protests were the work of a very small, very vocal group of people. This, in fact, may be the case - it could be true that the majority of the 4.5 million + Apple II owners *are* satisfied. No one's going to know until someone takes the effort to find out on a large scale. There are many ways this could be done: inCider/A+ could run a survey page and report the results to Apple; the magazine could run a survey page that you tear out, stamp and mail directly to Apple. All those concerned could mail some symbolic object (like a manual cover or an Apple ad) to Apple -- this could go on and on. But if such an effort is well-publicized and gets very little result from those who are supposed to be dissatisfied, it would hurt your case more than not doing anything at all. In case anyone reading this thinks I'm trying to promote trouble at Apple, it's certainly not the case. I do believe that if customer dissatisfaction among Apple II owners is as high as reports on this and other networks would seem to indicate, that someone needs to do something fairly innovative to get this message across to Apple management. And I hope you'll understand that, to keep my involvement with this at only the above-stated level, this is the last I'll write on this topic. ============================================================================== Matt Deatherage, Apple Computer, Inc. | "The opinions expressed in this tome Send PERSONAL mail ONLY (please) to: | should not be construed to imply that AppleLink PE: Matt DTS GEnie: AIIDTS | Apple Computer, Inc., or any of its CompuServe: 76703,3030 | subsidiaries, in whole or in part, Usenet: mattd@apple.com | have any opinion on any subject." UUCP: (other stuff)!ames!apple!mattd | "So there." =============================================================================