Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1923 talk.origins:4592 Path: utzoo!censor!jeff From: jeff@censor.UUCP (Jeff Hunter) Newsgroups: sci.bio,talk.origins Subject: The birds and the beaks Keywords: evolution, birds, beaks Message-ID: <404@censor.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 89 16:55:49 GMT Organization: Bell Canada, Business Development, Toronto Lines: 24 Hello there. I was having a conversation with a friend recently, and the question came up "Why do all birds have beaks?". I finally concluded that somewhere just after archeopteryx there was an overwhelmingly successful bird that ate nuts (or had some other compelling reason to lose teeth and get a beak). Subsequent generations of birds got their beaks by inheritence, and were able to modify them to different tasks rather than having to re-develop teeth. Alec instead concluded that beaks have some advantage for feeding if you've lost your forepaws ('cause they're wings). So what are the net.opinions. (Please note that I'm crossposting this to sci.bio, and talk.origins. If your reply doesn't have much to do with biology please edit out sci.bio in your message. (And flame me by e-mail, if you wish, for the previous sentence. Don't post to the net.)) Another topic in the conversation was "What are beaks made of?" This is in the sense that rhinoceros horn is made of compressed hair, or human fingernails are modified hair. So are beaks modified bone, cartilage, hair, feathers, horn, or does the question make sense at all? Thanks for the thoughts ... -- ___ __ __ {utzoo,lsuc}!censor!jeff (416-595-2705) / / /) / ) -- my opinions -- -/ _ -/- /- No one born with a mouth and a need is innocent. (__/ (/_/ _/_ Greg Bear