Xref: utzoo sci.research:703 talk.politics.misc:23444 sci.bio:1928 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!hubcap!gatech!bbn!bbn.com!presnik From: presnik@bbn.com (Philip Resnik) Newsgroups: sci.research,talk.politics.misc,sci.bio Subject: Re: replicating experiments (was animal research) Message-ID: <37128@bbn.COM> Date: 13 Mar 89 14:10:01 GMT References: <726@orbit.UUCP> <3254@ttrdc.UUCP> <3437@silver.bacs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@bbn.COM Reply-To: presnik@labs-n.bbn.com (Philip Resnik) Distribution: na Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Lines: 41 Article <3437@silver.bacs.indiana.edu> drsmith@silver.UUCP (drew smith) writes: >That is precisely what the scientific literature is for. For >better or worse there are no rewards in science for repeating >others experiments. Therefore no *competent* scientist will waste >his/her time doing what's been done before. I find this rather disturbing. I just happen to have finished _Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman_, by Nobel-prize-winning physicist Richard P. Feynman, and he had some extremely relevant points to make on this topic. His feeling was that it is *absolutely necessary* to replicate experiments, not only because replications confirm results, but also because experimenters have their own goals in mind, and this tends to influence the experiment. (My paraphrase is awful -- read the book!) I am all for making maximal use of the scientific literature; I'm the first person you'll find doing keyword searches in electronic databases, tracing through bibliographies, and querying the appropriate sci.group to find smart people who already know the answers. *But* the replication of experimental results is absolutely critical -- if more "competent" scientists took the time replicating experiments, I believe science in general would benefit. Certainly students should learn this is a worthwhile thing to do. (Unfortunately, most everyone these days seems to be after high-payoff, short-term results and high visibility -- a problem that probably deserves serious discussion in this newsgroup.) Now, this completely ignores the original issue, which was minimizing cruelty to animals by not re-doing experiments unnecessarily. This is a very worthwhile goal. As always, though, there's a tradeoff involved: on the one hand, reducing the number of animal experiments, and, on the other hand, maintaining good scientific standards by replicating results. Alternatives like using tissue rather than entire animals seem to me to be a win in both cases, but I don't know much about that area. Comments? Philip Resnik presnik@bbn.com All views expressed above are mine, all mine!