Newsgroups: can.general Path: utzoo!lsuc!dave From: dave@lsuc.uucp (David Sherman) Subject: Re: income tax: what's this nonsense? Date: Thu, 30-Mar-89 22:49:01 EST Summary: comments on instalment requirement Message-ID: <1989Mar30.224905.3741@lsuc.uucp> Distribution: can References: <144@mindlink.UUCP> <1989Mar29.002321.5939@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> <1107@apss.apss.ab.ca> <1989Mar29.212532.22054@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> <12872@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto In article <12872@watdragon.waterloo.edu> ebspencer@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Bruce Spencer) writes: >I pay tax by quarterly installments because I don't get enough deducted from >source. There are two ways to calculate the installment - go by last >year's earnings, or guess what you will be making. I'm a PhD student >whose funds are dwindling so that this year I expect to make less than last. >So I want to pay by my expected earnings for 1989. Ok so far. > >Here's the twist. If I get really industrious, finish up, and start >earning real money, say, in September, I will end up not giving enough >for my first three installment. RevCan wants the installments to be >equal so I will owe interest, calculated at usurious rates, for the first >installments. > >Or, in a few words, I'll owe income tax on income I hadn't earned yet! Offsetting interest within the year is allowed. So if you find in September that you haven't been paying enough, you can make up for it by paying your December instalment early. To take a simple example, if you pay 1/4 on March 31, skip June 30 entirely and pay the remaining 3/4 on September 30 you'll have no interest owing -- the prepayment of the last quarter offsets the interest which would apply on the late payment from the second quarter. Whether the system you describe is unfair is hard to say. Specifically, designing a system which doesn't penalize you in the example you give would be difficult, without opening up all sorts of tax avoidance possibilities. The problem is that income is fundamentally calculated on the year as a whole, so the concept of "hadn't earned yet" which you raise is nonexistent. There's no distinction between a dollar earned in January and a dollar earned in December. Then again, if the reason you have to pay instalments is that some or all of your income comes from self-employment, there are all kinds of other possibilities open to you. Consult a tax professional. David Sherman -- Moderator, mail.yiddish { uunet!attcan att utzoo }!lsuc!dave dave%lsuc@ai.toronto.edu