Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!nrl-cmf!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att!homxb!genesis!odyssey!gls From: gls@odyssey.ATT.COM (g.l.sicherman) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Dualisms for A.I. Message-ID: <833@odyssey.ATT.COM> Date: 20 Mar 89 19:43:30 GMT References: <2592@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, West Long Branch, NJ Lines: 38 In article <2592@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>, gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton) writes: > In article <820@odyssey.ATT.COM> gls@odyssey.ATT.COM (g.l.sicherman) writes: > >Surely the dualism most relevant to A.I. is mind vs. body? ... > > > No, 3 [Ethical] and 4 [Explanatory] are especially relevant as 3 may mean > no machine ethics and 4 means no 'objective' data about outside-the-lab > human behaviour. In this sense, I agree that dualities 3 and 4 matter consequentially and as motives for A.I. research. Science as a destroyer of guilt is carried out by scientists who want to destroy their guilt. I still think that if A.I. researchers understood all the consequences of "mind vs. body," they might lower their ambitions! > >See the second half of _Gestalt Therapy_ for a good catalogue of basic > >dualisms and what harm they do. > > fuller reference please? Frederick S. Perls, Ralph F. Hefferline, and Paul Goodman, _Gestalt Therapy: Excitement and Growth in the Human Personality,_ Bantam, New York (1977). The original edition was published by Julian Press in the 50's. The copyright is now held by Crown Publishers, Inc. I do not know what you would have to do to find a copy in Scotland! Gestalt therapy is a system of psychotherapy based on a novel inter- pretation of the principles of cognition. The book is in two parts. The first describes some exercises and the theory behind them. The second describes some of the theory's cultural and social implications. -:- "Professor! The computers are on strike!" "What? How dare they!" [Throws window open.] Mechanical voices: "More ... input! ... Less ... output!" -- Col. G. L. Sicherman gls@odyssey.att.COM