Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!hc!lanl!lambda!roberts From: roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug &) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: ENVOS COMMON LISP Message-ID: Date: 22 Mar 89 00:23:45 GMT References: <6540@arisa.Xerox.COM> <1019@godot.radonc.unc.edu> Sender: news@lanl.gov Distribution: na Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 25 In-reply-to: thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu's message of 21 Mar 89 19:12:19 GMT The comments made regarding the sparseness of non-lispm development environments could have come from any of those of us in my group here at Los Alamos who in the last couple of years have switched from Symbolics' to Suns and Lucid lisp. We _REALLY_ missed the frame-based debugger & inspector, as well as the powerfull ZMACS editor. While Lucid 3.0 is an improvement over 2.1 it still has a long way to go before the development environment will compare to a Symbolics. The editor has greatly improved in 3.0, but the inspector and debugger still reek of the early 70's :-(... The sad fact is that most current-day lisp programmers have never worked on a lispm, and so they don't know what they're missing. --Doug -- =============================================================== Douglas Roberts Los Alamos National Laboratory Box 1663, MS F-602 Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545 (505)667-4569 dzzr@lanl.gov ===============================================================