Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!ncis.llnl.gov!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!osu-cis!n8emr!lwv From: lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: Contructive discussions on Apple future (Was:Re: (none)) Message-ID: <940@n8emr.UUCP> Date: 22 Mar 89 23:46:08 GMT References: <8903181257.aa27040@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> <931@n8emr.UUCP> <9883@smoke.BRL.MIL> Reply-To: lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) Organization: Ham BBS, 614-457-4227 (1200/2400/19.2 telebit,8N1) Lines: 26 In article <9883@smoke.BRL.MIL> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) ) writes: -->Any substantially UNIX-like system for the IIGS would be very useful. -->You're not likely to get this out of Apple, though, because they think -->of the Apple II line as for kiddies and "obviously" you don't want to -->turn kiddies loose in a UNIX shell. --> Perhaps I wasnt very clear in my original msg - I wasnt looking for my list of things FROM Apple, I was looking for folks out there in USENET-land to contribute to the list of tools that they themselves saw as necessary to feel like they were getting the full use of their machine. And I was looking for the list with an eye to encouraging all those C programmers and assembly writers and even some of those Pascal people to write their little fingers off writing some of these tools. Why? I often see folks looking for projects to take on. Porting some of the utilities available in MSDOS and UNIX arenas should be able to be ported easily enough. As for why I said I was going to wait for a good C compiler - well, maybe APW C isnt all that bad - I just remember reading folks saying that they were not about to use the stdio package since it made their programs a minimum or 15k for hello world. I thought at the time that it was a bad linker, but then someone else told me that the code in generate was rather large -- Larry W. Virden 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817 75046,606 (CIS) ; LVirden (ALPE) ; osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (INTERNET) The world's not inherited from our parents, but borrowed from our children.