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From: patrick@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick A. Townson)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Brad, Inc. (was: Re: verification of Brad's vote)
Message-ID: <8037@chinet.chi.il.us>
Date: 26 Mar 89 17:25:12 GMT
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Reply-To: patrick@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick A. Townson)
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In article <661@ivucsb.UUCP> news@ivucsb.UUCP (Todd Day) writes:
    
>...anywhere concerning payment for USENET services.  Brad is being paid to
>be a moderator for Genie and Delphi, NOT USENET.  If he is putting jokes
>on GEnie/Delphi from USENET, I consider it a fair swap for the jokes he
>will be bringing over from GEnie/Delphi.  Remember, you will be getting
>stuff off of GEnie/Delphi for FREE!  Tell me again, please, how Brad is
>getting money for being moderator of RHF!

A joke for joke swap would be fair. If Brad is paid by Genie for his 
organizational efforts there while at the same time maintaining the ratio
of a 'joke for a joke' through the gateway, then there should be *less*
objection.

But I repeat myself, endlessly it seems: So far I have seen no jokes from
Genie, free or otherwise, come through the gateway to Usenet. Has it not
occurred to you to wonder why the management at Genie, or whoever will be
Brad's supervisor there has not been participating in the discussion here?
Where is someone in authority at that organization committing to a free and
unhindered flow of information in this direction? Where is some written
commitment that Genie/Delphi/Compuscrew or *any* of those outfits are willing
to abandon their copyright on any of their output?

Well, so far there hasn't been any such guarentee: only Brad saying it would
be a two way deal. Two way until their lawyers get after him, perhaps. 

Tell you again how Brad will be making money from RHF? Okay, one last time.
A commercial service will be giving payments to Brad, an individual, for the
submissions he gives them which were entrusted to him by Usenet, a collective
body of people. 

I will accept Brad's argument that 'it is not the jokes I send them, it is
my organizational skills and labor they are paying for' as soon as I see him
actually running such a forum and *two way traffic* through the gate. I think
Genie needs our blessings -- not the other way around, so let them get into
this conversation.

And Brad, when you tell them to provide a written commitment, tell them to
to include a couple of jokes, won't you? We'll owe them two or three in
return.

-- 
Patrick Townson 
  patrick@chinet.chi.il.us / US Mail: 60690-1570 (personal zip code)
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