Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!oliveb!apple!rutgers!att!cbnews!henry@zoo.toronto.edu From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: F-111 Message-ID: <5139@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 27 Mar 89 02:18:28 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Lines: 36 Approved: military@att.att.com From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >... The statement that the F-111 has almost no mission radius at >supersonic speed is COMPLETELY WRONG! ... That wasn't quite the statement I made, fortunately. The statement was that for a specified mission profile (I forget the details), the low-level supersonic dash duration was specified at some substantial distance [150 miles?] but turned out to be nearly zero. I would assume that the limiting factor was fuel supply -- low-level supersonic speed is very hard on fuel. The F-111 can definitely go supersonic for reasonable distances at reasonable altitudes. It can probably go supersonic for a fair distance at low level *if* that is most of the mission, i.e. if that supersonic dash doesn't have to be at the far end of a long-range mission. (For that matter, add another constraint: if the weapons are internal. External weapons cut low-level performance drastically. The original F-111 did have an internal bay, but there is a tendency for such spaces to get filled in with electronics and such -- I don't know offhand whether this has happened to the current F-111s.) Whether all this supersonicness is particularly useful for real F-111 missions, and whether it was worth all the pain during development, are different questions. Other things being equal, one cannot fly as low over rough terrain at supersonic speed as at subsonic speed, which is one reason why the B-1 is not supersonic at low level. I certainly won't dispute that the F-111 has abilities shared by no other tactical aircraft... partly just because it's bigger than they are. One can legitimately ask, however, whether the customers would have been better off with a less ambitious aircraft that would have been easier to develop and would have been bought in much greater numbers. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu