Newsgroups: ut.general Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!csri.toronto.edu!clarke From: clarke@csri.toronto.edu (Jim Clarke) Subject: "Joining the count" Message-ID: <8903232049.AA29714@yorkmills.csri.toronto.edu> Keywords: Are you a visible minority? Organization: University of Toronto, CSRI Distribution: ut Date: Thu, 23 Mar 89 15:49:31 EST So: are you going to fill in question 3 on the U of T "Employment Equity Survey"? If you're a university employee, you're going to get this survey next week. Its question 3 asks you to "check the box beside the wording that best describes the group with which you identify." The choices are "Aboriginal Person", "Black" and so on. (Why not "Black Person", I wonder? -- but that's a stylistic quibble that I shouldn't bring up here.) I've always refused to answer this kind of question, or answered "North American", though I've never attained the level of articulateness displayed by Les Earnest in the February Communications of the Association for Computing Machinery. (Nor, fortunately, do I have his extensive experience with the problem.) One of Earnest's comments seems especially relevant: "... the fuzzy old concept of racial classification that had been a tool of racists for so long came to be embraced by their former victims and those who believed you had to classify everyone and compile statistics to combat discrimination." Just because question 3 refers to "visible minority groups" doesn't mean it isn't talking about race. I certainly won't answer. -- Jim Clarke -- Dept. of Computer Science, Univ. of Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 (416) 978-4058 clarke@csri.toronto.edu or clarke@csri.utoronto.ca or ...!{uunet, pyramid, watmath, ubc-cs}!utai!utcsri!clarke