Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!iuvax!ndcheg!uceng!dmocsny From: dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Thinking about the reduction of Entropy. Summary: Emergent Properties. Keywords: Heat Death and Light Life. Message-ID: <838@uceng.UC.EDU> Date: 6 Apr 89 16:55:28 GMT References: <550002@hpfelg.HP.COM> <8300034@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu> <47325@linus.UUCP> Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati, College of Engg. Lines: 20 In article <47325@linus.UUCP>, bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Barry W. Kort) writes: > I just don't understand why an intelligent species would consciously > take self-destruction as a goal. Self-destruction is a _conscious_ goal of only the deranged. For most individuals, self-destruction is an accident of taking the route of momentary pleasure (e.g., nicotine and alcohol abuse). For societies, self-destruction is not a goal at all. Instead, it is an emergent property resulting from a collection of entities each trying to maximize its claim on available resources while minimizing its personal effort. Designing complex nonlinear systems to have arbitrary pre-specified emergent properties is quite beyond the state of current engineering (see the papers of Steven Wolfram). > --Barry Dan Mocsny Snail: Internet: dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU Dept. of Chemical Engng. M.L. 171 513/751-6824 (home) University of Cincinnati 513/556-2007 (lab) Cincinnati, Ohio 45221-0171