Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!lll-winken!uunet!mcvax!hp4nl!htsa!fransvo From: fransvo@htsa.uucp (Frans van Otten) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Simulation verus reality Message-ID: <827@htsa.uucp> Date: 7 Apr 89 15:03:13 GMT Reply-To: fransvo@htsa.UUCP (Frans van Otten) Organization: AHA-TMF (Technical Institute), Amsterdam, The Netherlands Lines: 36 A lot of comp.ai writers seem to misunderstand the difference between "reality" and "simulation". Actually, both words are pointers to some actual process, which has no name, I'm afraid. Reality and simulation are "relativity" concepts. When we simulate a flying plain, it is (within the simulator) really flying (in so far as the simulator simulates flying). To us, it is a simulation of a flying plane. That is, in our reality the plane does not fly, but in the reality inside the simulator it does fly ! Let's assume we made a computer system which can calculate the physics of a person. Let's assume we can communicate with this simulation. Now to us he is a simulation. But if we asked him, he would say "Me ? A simulation ? You must be out of your mind, I do really exist !" Again, in our reality the person is a simulation, but in the reality within the computer system the person is real. Our reality is not a "universal" reality, either. The rules for our existence are the chemical and physical rules, which are being executed by the molecules. The rules for the existence of molecules are being executed by the constituting atoms. The rules for the existence of atoms are being executed by the constituting atoms. Et cetera. If we would execute the rules for the molecules on a computer, we would not notice any difference except that nuclear fusion would not be possible. The only problem is that a simulated reality is not physically in contact with the simulating reality. So I could never feed myself with a simulated meal. But that is also a very nice property of simulations: whatever crashes a simulated plane makes, no real person dies ! And nobody cares about all those killed simulated people, since we didn't simulate their family and friends. -- Frans van Otten Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam Technische en Maritieme Faculteit fransvo@htsa.uucp