Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!purdue!decwrl!sun!quintus!ok From: ok@quintus.UUCP (Richard A. O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Re^2: New Communicational Morality Keywords: software, copyright, society Message-ID: <985@quintus.UUCP> Date: 12 Apr 89 08:39:48 GMT References: <754@infovax.lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de> <3687@ficc.uu.net> <784@infovax.lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de> Reply-To: ok@quintus.UUCP (Richard A. O'Keefe) Organization: Quintus Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 34 In article <784@infovax.lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de> foessmei@lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Reinhard Foessmeier) writes: >Of course there *is* a difference between intellectual and material >property -- if I steal the first one, you still have got it, >if I steal the other, you don't. That is, information can be *copied*, >while matter cannot. This is a fairly common line of argument, and while I've always felt uneasy about it, I only just saw the fallacy. The fallacy is the unstated assumption that the only value in having a piece of "intellectual property" resides in HAVING it. But that's clearly wrong. In order to run Scribe, for example, I need to have a copy of Scribe, and I need to have a licence for Scribe. The value _to_me_ of Scribe is being able to use it. But for all I know to the contrary, Unlogic may use Troff or LaTex internally. The value of Scribe _to_them_ lies in having control of copying. As soon as someone makes a copy of the Scribe sources and starts making new executables and giving them away, they no longer have that control. That is, the person who steals that copy HAS permanently deprived them of the real source of value. To make this as clear as I can, we have a product which runs on /370s. We have not got a /370. The value _to_us_ of a copy of our program which would run on a /370 is thus rather small. What _is_ of value to us is the fact that we can make and sell such copies at will, and nobody else can. If somebody made an unauthorised copy of our source code, we would have lost that completely, and in the absence of enforced copyright laws our only hope would be customer loyalty. (To avoid misunderstanding, we do test the /370 product. We just have no _other_ use for /370 cycles, and thus no /370 of our own. That's no criticism of /370s.) Even with material property, the value isn't always in _having_ the thing but is sometimes in _controlling_ it. Some conservation societies, for example, buy land which would otherwise have been put to unwise use. The value to them of their ownership is not in being able to do things with the land, but in being able to _prevent_ certain things being done.