Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ncar!tank!mimsy!tove.umd.edu!folta From: folta@tove.umd.edu (Wayne Folta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Different Perspective on the Apple/ Summary: Anyone have dates on these things? Message-ID: <16777@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 6 Apr 89 17:44:54 GMT References: <3881@s.cc.purdue.edu> <8400093@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Sender: nobody@mimsy.UUCP Reply-To: folta@tove.umd.edu.UUCP (Wayne Folta) Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, gs Lines: 19 "Many workstations implemented overlapping windows before the macintosh "was released. The Mac was released in 1984, AFTER Sun's, LISPm's, "Symbolics's, even Alto's, and other types of workstations had "overlapping windows. " "Don Gillies, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Illinois Are there any computer historians out there? When did Sun, et. al., come out with overlapping windows, etc.? And when did the first Mac (the Lisa) come out? That could shed a little light on the "who came out first" debate. Or maybe the important date is actually not the "shipped" date, but the developed/licensed/patented date. (Haven't I heard somewhere that Apple actually licensed some of its "look and feel" from Xerox, who certainly beat Sun, et. al., by miles. And didn't Apple "steal" some of the Xerox pioneers from Xerox? If so, did Apple inherit the "first claim" ideas of these people that maybe Xerox hadn't developed/licensed/patented?) Wayne Folta (folta@tove.umd.edu 128.8.128.42)