Xref: utzoo comp.sys.mac.hypercard:1748 alt.hypertext:224 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!lll-winken!arisia!fischer From: fischer@arisia.Xerox.COM (Ronald A. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Hypertext, UNIX Summary: Apple sponsors INTERMEDIA, hypercard is like assembler Message-ID: <672@arisia.Xerox.COM> Date: 4 Apr 89 00:13:33 GMT References: <3045@cosmo.UUCP> <179@opus.NMSU.EDU> <1629@iesd.dk> <190@opus.NMSU.EDU> Organization: Xerox PARC Lines: 38 Apple Computer is one of the larger sponsors of the InterMedia project at Brown University. I suppose that at some point they're likely to release it out on their higher end workstations. There's an interesting story behind this which goes something like this: Brown ported MacApp or some portion of the Mac toolbox calls onto UNIX to support their development of IM. Intermedia now depends heavily on this code. Apple is one of a consortium of sponsors for IM. The sponsors have varying rights to the resulting code. For Apple this is a drag because they don't have exclusive proprietary rights (unless this has changed). I wonder if Apple has required the other sponsors to separately license from them the user interface technology used in Intermedia? That could give Apple a strong position. Apple's problem will be integrating embedded editors with its existing toolbox in a compatible way, in addition to allowing compound documents, although the latter could be acheived by substructuring text forks. Systems like InterMedia (or ENVOS NoteCards) are to HyperCard as Microsoft Write is to Microsoft Word, or Assembly language is to Modula-3. Unfortunately these kind of relations make it hard to provide upward compatibility, since one tends to hook deeply into low level systems like HyperCard to accomplish the things that are missing. Perhaps we'll have a division of the Hypertext market into entry level and professional tools. Remember that in a few years Apple's next generation OS and tools like Intermedia will make the current toolbox and HyperCard look like the Apple // tools seem to us today. (ron) Ron Fischer ENVOS Corp. 1157 San Antonio Rd. Mountain View, CA 94043 415-966-6206