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From: bob@tinman.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: OPEN LOOK Availability
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Date: 3 Apr 89 15:38:38 GMT
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In-reply-to: pete@nixctc.DE's message of 1 Apr 89 14:50:41 GMT

In article <1028@nixctc.DE> pete@nixctc.DE (Pete Delaney) writes:
   In article <1627@iesd.dk> fischer@iesd.dk (Lars P. Fischer) writes:
      I seem to remember from a Sun briefing that this has been
      renamed "Xview" (to emphasize that it is not tied to Sun), and
      that it will be donated to MIT, for free distribution on the X
      tape. It should be ready for distribution "sometime this
      spring..".
      
      Anyone care to comment?

   That sounds like what the a Sun technical support guru told me
   the-week-before-last while at the Hannover Fair.

If you're concerned about something for the X world, you should be
reading comp.windows.x, not comp.windows.news.  Here's a fairly
authoritative-sounding article that appeared there recently:

|From: tomj@snowking.Sun.COM (Tom Jacobs)
|Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
|Subject: Re: SunView to X Windows 11?
|Message-ID: <94886@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
|Date: 20 Mar 89 17:54:52 GMT
|Reply-To: tomj@sun.UUCP (Tom Jacobs)
|Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
|
|In article <571@ubbpc.UUCP> wgh@ubbpc.UUCP (William G. Hutchison) writes:
|> How hard is it to port from SunView to X Windows 11?
|
|With XView, the port to X11 is relatively simple.  Sun has migrated
|SunView onto X11 and retained retained most of the Application
|Programming Interface (API).  What this means is if you can program
|to SunView, you can program to XView pretty easily.  Existing
|applications (of which there are >2100) can be converted in a few
|days to a few weeks (if heavy graphics) .  Our early ISVs tell us
|that conversion is very straight forward.  In addition, XView source
|will be donated to the X Consortium for inclusion with X11 release 4.
|XView is also portable.  We did a "proof-of-concept" port to Ultrix
|2.0 (just for fun :-) and demoed it at the OpenWindows press
|conference at Uniforum.
|
|XView is implemented to Xlib and the X Consortium's ICCC
|(Inter-Client Communications-Conventions).  XView, unlike its
|predecessor, is object-oriented (ie. all objects are opaque objects
|where clients get() and set() values on objects).  It is also has a
|static class-based (single-inheritance) system model.  The system is
|extensible (ie.  create new classes, or subclass existing ones), but
|it is not a collection of "widgets" and is not based upon Xt.
|
|Tom Jacobs
|Sun Microsystems. Mountain View, CA
|Internet and Smail:  tomj@sun.UUCP
|              uucp:  uunet!sun!tomj


   Unfortunately however I was unable to confirm it with Michael Arden
   (the Product Manager for NeWS).

Michelle oversees the product stuff for the X11/NeWS merge, but XView
is coming from a different group.

   I have asked the guys at Sun to be a beta for the X11/NeWS merge
   but haven't heard anything.

I think you're about 18 months too late to be a beta site, and they
aren't adding any more to the list these days.  I groveled before Ms
Arden at SUG in Miami to be one of their early-ship (gamma?)  sites,
but there seems to be no action on that front either.  Bummer...