Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!pacbell!ditka!zinn!ubbs-nh!noel From: noel@ubbs-nh.MV.COM (Noel Del More) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Re: Scrap the current NG creation procedure, invent a new one Keywords: newgroup, vote, control Message-ID: <290@ubbs-nh.MV.COM> Date: 2 Apr 89 07:11:32 GMT References: <3010@looking.UUCP> <63@norsat.UUCP> <288@ubbs-nh.MV.COM> <3031@looking.UUCP> Reply-To: noel@ubbs-nh.MV.COM (Noel Del More) Organization: uBBS-NH (New England Unix Archive) - Nashua, NH Lines: 91 In article <3031@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes: > >Thank you for your kind note. As I have seen this sentiment expressed by >one or two others, perhaps more politely, I feel I should explain what is >an important issue here. > >I am tired of a USENET where things are decided by who can shout down the >other side the loudest. A USENET where you don't do things for fear that >the I-should-run-the-net people will insult and flame you. I appologize for MY rudeness. But I too am tired! I'm tired of the flames and counter-flames, I'm tired of the controversy which surrounds, seemingly, your every activity. Please understand, first the J**R controversy, then the compilation copyright controversy, then the GEnie controversy.... then no sooner than that final issue began to settle into the dust.... BANG! here comes more flames and counter-flames about your proposed idea for the administration of the news groups. I just feel that with the way the storm clouds seem to follow you around that you could just.... cool it for a couple of days. You know, to give us a rest. To let the dust settle. To let some degree of sanity to return to this group. This was the reason for my rather inappropriate "flame", I have nothing personal against you. No axe to grind. I do not agree with your previous practices... but, I voted... and I will not post to your news group. Thats my revenge, be what it may. I will admit that I do read your group, and insofar as your ability to come up with some pretty good "yuks", you do a good job. >I DO things on USENET, I don't just talk about them. I believe that the >things I do make a better net, and I make efforts to find out whether >the things I do are supported by the wider net. I believe they are, and >unlike the rest of you, I have evidence for it. I DO things on USENET too, like try to communicate rationally with others with similar interests, maybe increase my professional skills, or learn something new, or... Controversy is a double-edged sword Brad, it can create change for the better, or it can destroy. I just hope you have the wisdom/maturity to know what you are promoting. >I cause controversy for one reason. I do things and I am unwilling to >be cowed by flamage. I am not Rushdie, but I am no more responsible for >the flamage in this group than Rushdie is responsible for the Ayatollah's >death threat. I don't know what to make of that last statement, it could be interpreted a number of ways. No you are not responsible for others flames, you ARE responsible for yours and for any petrol you may choose to add to it. Your statement "I cause controvery for one reason", would tend to suggest that you may be a little "bull-headed", as for being "cowed" by the flamage... well, no one should have to abandon their principles because of "flames", but it sure helps if you attempt to understand the other guys position, and if the wind blows hard enough... bend! >The group creation mess is an important issue to me, and I refuse to not >put forward my careful proposal just because some people recently decided >to go after me. I am going to do all sorts of other new and even more >controversial things in the near future. Why is it a mess? Please don't call it a "mess", it may be a "mess" to you, but apparently, for better or worse, it has worked. Your pouring on the petrol here, your last sentence, I want to say nasty things.. I'm resisting.... The insanity has passed... I just deleted it........ >Is this the USENET you want? One where nobody does anything new that might >cause controversy? Some anarchy, that. New things are wonderful, or at least some of them are or could be. The USENET I want, is the one where I can read, enjoy, learn etc. I'm not interested in rectoric, flames and counter-flames. Or to quote my father, who was quoting god only knows.... If it ain't broke.. Well, you know the rest. Noel -- Noel B. Del More | {decvax|harvard}!zinn!ubbs-nh!noel 17 Meredith Drive | noel@ubbs-nh.mv.com Nashua, New Hampshire 03063 | It's unix me son! `taint spozed tah make cents