Xref: utzoo news.misc:2826 talk.politics.misc:24539 talk.politics.soviet:1056 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ukma!husc6!bbn!oberon!skat.usc.edu!kriz From: kriz@skat.usc.edu (Dennis Kriz) Newsgroups: news.misc,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: Beyond Perestroika Message-ID: <16312@oberon.USC.EDU> Date: 5 Apr 89 06:53:24 GMT References: <3982@kremvax.mosc.cccp> <1658@orion.cf.uci.edu> <16287@oberon.USC.EDU> <822@tekbspa.UUCP> Sender: news@oberon.USC.EDU Reply-To: kriz@skat.usc.edu (Dennis Kriz) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 35 Lets kick one more tenant of Marxism while we're at it. The view that Marx somehow invented socialism or the idea of communism is also a crock. Throughout history there have been many traditions/movements which were communal in nature ... Anyone who's heard of the "Tolstoyan farm" knows this to be so. The philosophy behind it, first put forward by Tolstoy and later expounded heavily upon by Gandhi. It blends the thoughts of Thorough, Tolstoy and Gandhi into an approach to simple communal living. The book by Shumacher "Small is Beautiful" can probably be considered a prodigy of this tradition. The Kibbutzes in Israel are cummunal, as was Qum Ran (the ancient community which produced the Dead Sea Scrolls). The early Christian communities (when they were being fed to the lions) were communal. Even today, there have got to be thousands of communal/semicommunal homes being run by Christian groups in this country alone... and that excludes the most obvious (the monastaries/convents). There are also probably thousands of humanist based operations of the same type too. The point of all this is that communal living is not something that Marx dreamed up. Every society has always been at least partially communal. The difference is ... is that these communities were always small and almost always voluntary. So communal homes and communities will almost certainly continue to exist in bliss... with or without Marxist dogma. But this is not some victory for Marx ... because it's always been that way ... and in a free society there's no one telling people that they can't organize their lives together if they want. dennis