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From: sabol@Apple.COM (Bryan Sabol)
Newsgroups: sci.bio
Subject: Re: The birds and the beaks
Message-ID: <28389@apple.Apple.COM>
Date: 4 Apr 89 22:08:57 GMT
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In article <5656@xenna.Encore.COM> kaufman@maxzilla.UUCP (Lar Kaufman) writes:
>The general tone of speculation on this topic has been tiresome and
>given to uninformed speculation.  It has included assertions of
>opinion as fact, irrelevant analogies, and poor reasoning.  How about 
>dropping it, OK?  At least leave sci.bio out of it. 


	Time to flame a flame:  I am sorry this goes out to sci.bio, but
I feel it's relevant.  I see no reason not to pursue such questioning on
sci.bio.  I've not stated I'm any expert in ornithology -- quite to the
contrary -- but I do not appreciate your flame concerning an interesting
piece of evolutionary theory.  If these discussions have really
contained "assertions of opinion as fact, irrelevant analogies", etc., you 
must be qualified to bring more accurate information into this discussion.
Good.  I've wanted to hear some other people's ideas from the onset.

	Why *not* post such material on sci.bio?  I don't believe for an
instant that a group as such must remain the dry, ivory tower concept of
Biology, whose only right to post/existance is to draw a line between
Ph.D.'s and others interested in Biology.  

	This is sci.bio;  the discussion is a piece of evolutionary
theory, with specific interest in the development of structures on a
order-wide level.  Discussing such theories as parallel evolution,
concepts like environmental pressure, and others all are very much
relevant to this discussion group.  Such interesting theories are what
prompted me to take my degree in Biology, too.

	Finally, if you really can't stand to see the discussion any
more, you're more than free to "K" the articles (we've had less than a
dozen in total!) -- don't rain on others' parades.

bryan sabol