Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1971 talk.origins:4849 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ukma!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!apple!sabol From: sabol@Apple.COM (Bryan Sabol) Newsgroups: sci.bio,talk.origins Subject: Re: The birds and the beaks Keywords: evolution, birds, beaks Message-ID: <28426@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 5 Apr 89 17:05:11 GMT References: <404@censor.UUCP> <27216@apple.Apple.COM> <464@corpane.UUCP> <28330@apple.Apple.COM> <471@censor.UUCP> Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA Lines: 21 In article <471@censor.UUCP> jeff@censor.UUCP (Jeff Hunter) writes: >Sure. I'll try to make it clearer. >- bats eat soft stuff therefore bats can get away with small sharp teeth, >and small lightweight jaws >- if bats had to eat something that required a heavier jaw they'd either >a) become flightless or b) develop beaks (or c) starve). > >- archeopteryx ate soft stuff (insects & small animals). It had small >sharp teeth. >- ALL modern birds have beaks > >- therefore I conclude (and I know it's tenuous) that some near descendants >of archeopteryx ate something that needed a strong jaw (my guess "nuts"). >They developed beaks. They then were successful enough to overwhelm all >the (left-over) toothed birds. Okay, I'll go along with that; it seems more plausible than connecting the necessity of beak expressly to wing. bryan sabol ousted reedie-at-large