Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1993 talk.origins:4925 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!lll-winken!uunet!acates!dan From: dan@acates.UUCP (Dan Ford) Newsgroups: sci.bio,talk.origins Subject: Re: The birds and the beaks Summary: Evolution of cave albinos Keywords: evolution, birds, beaks Message-ID: <273@acates.UUCP> Date: 13 Apr 89 06:52:30 GMT References: <28330@apple.Apple.COM> <3561@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> <28379@apple.Apple.COM> <3566@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> <28434@apple.Apple.COM> <3576@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> Reply-To: dan@acates.UUCP (Dan Ford) Organization: Acates, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA Lines: 26 It seems to me that not all evolution can be explained in terms of simple environmental selection. My example is the albino cave fish, shrimp, and various varied darkness dwellers. These critters ware decendants from colored animals, and yet that have become albino. This cannot be due to environmental selection, since you cannot have selection for (lack of) color in the black caves. It is a repeatedly seen pattern of change, and not a single odd species mutation. What might be going on: In the above-ground population there is a constant (but small) mutation rate of albinos. On the surface this is very bad, and is quickly selected against. Underground, however, it is not a disadvantage and may continue in the gene pool. But, not only does it continue, but it apparently is selected FOR since you end up with all these albino animals. How can coloring possibly be selected for in a dark environment? Why a repeated selection of albino in an environment where color is meaningless? Odd theory, which I call evolutionaly entropy: complex structures must be selected for in order to continue, or they suffer from random mutation and are degraded, possibly disappearing from the gene pool. This is not to say that such things are selected against, but just that lack of selection FOR them is enough to have the trait leave. Complexity is good only if it solves a problem and improves surviveability, otherwise "keep-it-simple-stupid" (KISS). In this case, get rid of color since it isn't useful. Dan Ford uunet!acates!dan "You may not have stolen any eggs, but I bet you've poached a few." Odd Bodkins