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From: marti@ethz.UUCP (Robert Marti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Welcome to the New Wave
Summary: Give me a break!
Message-ID: <827@ethz.UUCP>
Date: 25 Apr 89 12:43:42 GMT
References: <1169@novavax.UUCP> <42a8e314.14df5@ulsoy.engin.umich.edu> <3239@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM>
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In article <3239@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM>, taylor@limbo.intuitive.com (Dave Taylor)
writes:
> If we'd like to talk about Sun Microsystems, we can talk about how
> they're attempting to emulate HP by broadening their customer
> base to include the general computing marketplace  [ ... ]
What's so bad about that?

> [ ... ]  you might want to ask David Norman, the
> president of BusinessLand, why they didn't even consider a distribution
> agreement for the 386i, and why they dropped Sun  [ ... ]
With this statement you imply that failure for reaching an agreement
between Sun and BusinessLand is all Sun's fault.  If you actually KNOW
something you might want to tell us all.  If you don't then I'll
have to consider this as a case of mud slinging.

> [ ... ]  and why the newly released
> Sun Open Look Desk Kit looks sooo much like Mac and Presentation
> Manager software (not to mention HP's New Wave)).
Well, Microsoft and HP were sued by Apple because of alleged copyright
infringement concerning the Look and Feel of Windows 2.03 (aka
Presentation Manager) and New Wave.  Sun's OPEN LOOK wasn't (so far :-).
So what's your point?

> We can also talk
> about how Sun wouldn't exist if not for Apollo *creating* the Unix
> workstation marketplace.
Yes we could.  What's the point?  Besides, I can't remember Apollo
creating the *UNIX* workstation marketplace, let alone the workstation
marketplace.  They may have been the first successful vendor of
workstations.  That doesn't make them the creator of the marketplace,
though ...

> For that matter, why did Sun go to the 
> same outside industrial design firm that both NeXT and Apple had used 
> for the design of the new Sun boxes?
Why indeed?  Or rather, why should they not have?

> Or better yet, why don't we talk about people that have positive,
> constructive things to add to conversations on the net, rather
> than negative and hostile additions?
People just like you?

BTW, the from line tells me you work for HP Labs.  How come your .sig
tries so hard to conceal this fact?  (E- Mail address!)
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