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From: goldfarb@hcx9.UCF.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Smalltalk for the Mac
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Date: 13 Apr 89 16:45:00 GMT
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Nf-From: hcx9.UCF.EDU!goldfarb    Apr 13 12:45:00 1989


>>Since I haven't seen any mention of this, I would remind academic users
>>that ParcPlace's educational discount for the full Smalltalk-80 is $150
>
>What hoops must one jump through to qualify as an academic user?
>
ParcPlace will only accept P.O.'s from accredited institutions, unless
they've changed their policy very recently, to qualify for the 90%
academic discount.  However, a new program being marketed by ParcPlace
called the "Parc Ranger Program" allows unlimited redistribution of
Smalltalk-80 within the institution.  That costs the school $10K a
year.  "Within the institution" means faculty, support staff, and
full-time students.  ParcPlace sets a maximum charge by the institution
for redistributed copies at $100.

With respect to which Smalltalk to buy for the Mac, our people are
about evenly split between Smalltalk-80 and Smalltalk-V.  Those who
need compatibility with the "real" Smalltalk and who demand portability
to Suns, etc., prefer Smalltalk-80.  When portability to PC/PS2
platforms is an issue and for a classwork environment, Smalltalk-V is
preferred.

By the way, you can run Smalltalk-80 on a Plus or SE with at least 2 MB
of memory, but it is slow enough to be frustrating at times.  On Mac II's,
it is acceptably fast.
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