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From: ngg@bridge2.3Com.Com (Norman Goodger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Red Ryder problems
Keywords: Red Ryder Documentation
Message-ID: <587@bridge2.3Com.Com>
Date: 25 Apr 89 23:42:44 GMT
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Reply-To: ngg@bridge2.3Com.com (Norman Goodger)
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In article <6236@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu> riley@beowulf.UCSD.EDU (Chris Riley) writes:
>nagel@wagram.ics.uci.edu (Mark Nagel) writes:
>Anyway, if you have 10.3 and no documentation, either you don't keep
>documentation or you stole 10.3 from the Round Table.

>I hate to say you are wrong, but you are wrong.  The 10.3 updates were
>available for EITHER $20 if you wanted a disk and docs or from GEnie to
>be downloaded for free if you didn't want hardcopy. 

>From GEnie by MACINFO [Norm Goodger] about the 10.3 updates:
>>>PLEASE READ THIS -> There was, I'm sorry to report, quite a bit of illegal
>>>passing around and posting on BBS's of 10.2.  If this happens with 10.3, we
>>>will with regret (but without hesitation) return to the mail upgrading scheme
>>>for all future versions of FreeSoft products.  Please protect your investment
>>>by politely declining to give away copies of version 10 and Red Ryder Host.  
>
>As you can see, there was a non-mail upgrading scheme for 10.3 in addition
>to the mail scheme and therefor it is perfectly legal to download RR 10.3
>from GEnie for free if you have already paid.  (There were many messages
>discussing the 10.0 upgrade that only allowed mail upgrades, and as a
>result the policy was changed.)
>
Actually that posting attributed to me was posted by me for "Scott Watson".
The reason that RR 10.x was posted to the RT software library in lui of
another mail update for each version was because of problems that were
not discovered during the beta testing of the product before release caused
the release of subsequent updates. Scott had initially planned to post an
updater using Paragon's PUP updater, which allowed you to update if
you had a Master disk, but for some reason this did not work at all, and
so it came to pass that Scott actually posted RR 10.3 directly into the
software library. 

This version was for those that had paid the $20 update fee from 9.x and prior
to RR 10. Those of you that downloaded RR 10.3 from the software library without
the supporting documentation (ie the 150 page manual) still need to abide by
the initial update instructions for updating from RR <=9.x to RR 10.x which was
$20 and the Master Disk that Freesoft had sent you or a copy of your cancelled
check for the $40 shareware registration fee that you had sent in should you
have lost the RR master disk. If you have not done this yet and do not have
a Red Ryder Master disk, when Red Ryder 11 comes out, you may be caught
short again since you "may" not be able to update easily from Red Ryder 10
to Red Ryder 11.0 when its released. So I suggest that if you are one of those
people that just downloaded RR 10.3 from the RT and never properly updated and
you still can, I would suggest that now is the time to do so. There is no
official update policy set for updating from 10 to 11, and Red Ryder 11 IS
NOT shipping yet, however this just seems like the prudent, honest, and 
safe way to insure that when the time comes you will not have problems 
updating to Red Ryder 11.


-- 
Norm Goodger				SysOp - MacInfo BBS @415-795-8862
3Com Corp.				Co-Sysop FreeSoft RT - GEnie.
Enterprise Systems Division             (I disclaim anything and everything)