Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ames!lll-winken!scooter!neoucom!wtm From: wtm@neoucom.UUCP (Bill Mayhew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Bitmaps to non-NeXT printers (was Re: Some Random NeXT Thoughts) Summary: they're dreaming Keywords: NeXT Speculation Cost Future Marketing Message-ID: <1586@neoucom.UUCP> Date: 20 Apr 89 16:44:58 GMT References: <12017@ut-emx.UUCP> <1578@neoucom.UUCP> <8473@polya.Stanford.EDU> <4719@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 34 As I mentioned previously, it is very unlikely that a shrinkwrap agreemnent can be made legally enforcable. There is legal precedent of courts having nullified shrinkwrap agreements, but as far as I know, there is no precent of a shrinkwrap agreeement being upheld by a court. It is extremely unlikely that Next could sucessfully claim any sort of copyright on rendered output, even if it contains recognizable glyphs. To date, courts have viewed such cases the same way that photographs in books have been treated. All one need do is manipulate the image slightly, and one can claim orignality .. for example rearrage positioning of glyphs slightly. That the image was rendered by a program is irrelevent. The court would likely view computer rendering the same way that they would if Grumbach tried to claim copyright to any painting painted using one of their brushes. That the image contiains recognizable glyphs is also irrelevent, as they can not be copyrighted. The exception would be use of a registerd tradmark. The reason that Adobe encrpyts the font bitmaps in postscript is that the fonts can not be copyrighted. Note that the Apple versus Digital Research claim was settled out of court, so there is no legal precedent set regarding the imfamous trashcan icon. Digital Research could likely have won the case, but they lacked the money to be able to outlast Apple's legion of lawyers in protracted rounds of legal discovery. I suppose the same could prove to be true of users vs. Next re: the shrinkwrap; it is unlikely that any one user could outlast Next legal muscle, even if the user is right and Next is wrong. As usual, it is he or she that has the most bucks that wins. Bill