Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!uxc!iuvax!rutgers!att!cbnews!eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov From: eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: No armor on new capital ships (USS Iowa explosion) Message-ID: <5930@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 26 Apr 89 04:09:46 GMT References: <5789@cbnews.ATT.COM> <5883@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Calif. Lines: 46 Approved: military@att.att.com From: eos!eugene@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) I think I learned the answer to this when I was considering a career in the nuclear surface navy. I was thinking the USS Long Beach (CGN-9) would be a nice ship to gain experience on. The LB was the first cruiser to lack armor and they almost didn't place any gun on it (two-5 inchers amidships). The reason can be traced to the thinking in the late 40s and 50s resulting from nuclear tests at Bikini Atoll. These tests were reasonbly well documented and aerial footage is seen practically daily. This is when numerous Japanese, German, American, and other ships were sunk in tests. For mid air brusts above ships, armor really did very little to help survivability of a ship which were generally just pushed down, largely intact. You practically had to have near direct hits. So speed came into some play. But you see what really happened, not only in the Navy, but the Air Force, and a lesser extent, the Army, shifted into a WWIII mindset. All threats and responses were nuclear (or modern missile). It took what it thought was a adequate worse case scenario. It almost totally forgot about conventional and brushfire engagements. The partial role 5 and 8 inch guns were replaced by guided (inadequate) missiles. I think Naval experts really took a hard look at the limited impact (pun intented) of the 5 inch rounds at the Falklands (regardless of how fast a single gun could fire). There are other more complex subissues like the role of amphibous operations in a day of helicopters and airborne delivered troops, etc. Economic issues. So this is gross. This is power to the armed forces which think strategically (nuclear). The problem is comes with a lack of flexibility (Oops! have to take the nuclear racks off and put the conventional bomb racks on... etc.) Longish signature follows "Type 'n' now" Another gross generalization from --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@aurora.arc.nasa.gov resident cynic at the Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers: "You trust the `reply' command with all those different mailers out there?" "If my mail does not reach you, please accept my apology." {ncar,decwrl,hplabs,uunet}!ames!eugene Live free or die.