Path: utzoo!dptcdc!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!portia.stanford.edu!doom From: doom@PORTIA.STANFORD.EDU (Joseph Brenner) Newsgroups: sci.nanotech Subject: Barriers and Bottlenecks Message-ID: <8904180627.AA19496@athos.rutgers.edu> Date: 31 Mar 89 03:26:23 GMT Sender: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu Lines: 49 Approved: nanotech@aramis.rutgers.edu We are people who have largely been convinced by Drexler's arguments. I'd like to pose a question: What if we're wrong? Drexler typically argues: (1) If life can do something, then it is physically possible to do the same thing artificially. (2) Human capability is quickly expanding to the limits of the physically possible. I'm tentatively suggesting that point (2) may be wrong. It's at least conceivable that there could be a barrier we can't break, a human limit that humans can't overcome. For example, it *could* be that we're not smart enough to write programs as smart as we are. NOTE: I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DEFENDING THIS EXAMPLE. I don't think this is a great place to debate the feasibility of artificial intelligence. There is another way in which (2) could be wrong: there could be one or more bottlenecks to the development of nanotech which will slow things down radically (diamond is an unstable form of graphite, but the transformation is so slow no one cares). The future may not be described by a smoothly rising curve: instead, imagine a series of steep curves "punctuated" by plateaus. I propose that it may be worthwhile to try and identify possible hard barriers or slow bottlenecks to various nanotech applications. For example, consider genetic proofreading. Drexler considers it a fairly simple process: each assembler meanders around until it finds a DNA strand. It moves back and forth along it until it has the entire structure in memory. It compares the structure to the expected structure, and chooses to kill the cell if it differs (due to mutation or infection). There's an important caveat: the assembler must be able to distinguish between the host's damaged cells, and the cells of another human being (or any other plant or animal) otherwise it would become a deadly virus if it escaped the host and wound up in someone else's body. Exactly how tough is this pattern recognition job? I don't think we know enough biology to say for sure. Note that this is a very simple application compared to a full-featured cell repair machine. If there are problems in the development of atomic scale manipulation, nanocomputers, self-replication, or a number of other areas it would be devastating for the prospects of Drexler-style nanotech. If you assume the problems do exist, what would they be like? -- Joe Brenner (J.JBRENNER@MACBETH.STANFORD.EDU Materials Science Dept/Stanford, CA 94306)