Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uflorida!gatech!psuvax1!omega!ian From: ian@omega (Ian Parberry) Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: request for philosophic reactions to connectionism Keywords: connectionism theory and experiment Message-ID: <4548@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu> Date: 4 May 89 14:34:31 GMT References: <370@eurtrx.UUCP> <935@syma.sussex.ac.uk> <10139@burdvax.PRC.Unisys.COM> Sender: news@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu Reply-To: ian@theory.cs.psu.edu (Ian Parberry) Organization: Penn State University Lines: 35 In article <10139@burdvax.PRC.Unisys.COM> pastor@bigburd.PRC.Unisys.COM (Jon Pastor) writes: >Similarly, mathematical rigor (e.g., proofs of convergence) is undeniably a >Good Thing, but many of us got into AI because rigorous solution techniques >often require assumptions and restrictions that do not hold in the real world. > Only a fool would claim that >mathematical rigor is unimportant, but practitioners will gladly use a tool >that has strong empirical support while the theoreticians continue looking >for formal results vindicating the empirical results. > I want to put in a plug for theoreticians here. I see too much theory-bashing at neural network conferences. I am told that this is the legacy of Minsky and Papert. I have heard "distinguished" neural networkers say things like (I'm paraphrasing from a faulty memory here ) "we don't need theory", "combinatorics is harder than analysis", "those discrete theory people don't know what they're doing", even in invited talks. This does not set a good example. I am a theoretician. I believe that theory and practice are complementary. Experiments may show that there is something deep going on. Theory trys to explain it. Theoretical results steer future experiments (pruning the search tree, if you like). Each side feeds the other. Theory is hard. We make assumptions and restrictions because the mathematical tools do not yet (and may never) exist for dealing with the real problems. This doesn't mean that theory is impractical. Experimentation is hard too, but each takes some of the uncertainty out of the other. Experiments tell theoreticians what to try to prove (and sometimes how to go about it). Theory tells experimenters what approaches are more likely to be profitable than others. Some people like to do theory, and some hate it. That's fine. But each side should at least learn what the other side is doing, and what it means.