Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!eos!ptolemy!raymond From: raymond@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov (Eric A. Raymond) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Tired C programmer (Really configuration files) Message-ID: <1131@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov> Date: 2 May 89 00:56:13 GMT References: <166@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> Reply-To: raymond@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov.UUCP (Eric A. Raymond) Organization: NASA Ames Research Center Lines: 48 In article roberts@studguppy.lanl.gov (Doug Roberts) writes: >supported languages :-)} > >Seriously, system admin on a Symbolics LISPm is a serious headache >compared to Sun system admin. Debateable. Certainly they are different. Certianly a LISPM takes a lot of knowledge to operate, but I wonder how that compares to A UN*X box? I think the real issue is that a LISPM is breaks traditional molds and you must adopt a different attitude towards it. >The networking software is not as sophisticated. Hmmm. Do you have the layered products? One thing that a LISPM does is to provide excellent support for networking in a heterogenous environment. >documentation for the various configuration files is sketchy; you Really. Seemed like there was a whole volume dedicated to it. And it should be online in the document examiner. >I would miss the tools like grep, awk, & piping. That's because your mixing your metaphors. On a LISPM you would do things differently. Don't use GREP if you want to find a function (but if you do, the ZMACS editor provides a flexible mechanism for doing all sorts of searches, multiple replaces, etc across multiple files (although this is not documented very well, agreed), just press a key and instantly you are editing the function definition or it's callers. Not sure of the name, try apropos. > >On the other hand, I still miss the LISPm tools like the powerful >ZMACS editor, the frame-based source debugger, the mouse-sensitve >inspector, and the nice toggle interface to the disassembler. I hope >you are listening, Lucid. And Franz too. Note: LISPM references almost always mean Symbolics running Genera 7.x -- Eric A. Raymond (raymond@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov) G7 C7 G7 G#7 G7 G+13 C7 GM7 Am7 Bm7 Bd7 Am7 C7 Do13 G7 C7 G7 D+13: Elmore James