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From: ccs013@castor.ucdavis.edu (Jason)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: "software engineers" -- case study (long)
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Date: 7 May 89 20:13:09 GMT
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In article <8398@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
|In article <1670001@hp-ptp.HP.COM> scottg@hp-ptp.HP.COM (Scott_Gulland) writes:
|
|||Real programmers spend 90% of their time debugging. 
         ^^^^^^^^^^
      defined as soft. eng.'s

||I beg your pardon!  YOU may spend 90% of your time debugging, but no one
||I have known in the last ten years of software development has spent anything
||close to 90%.  Most engineers might spend at most 10% of thier time debugging.

|Interesting that everyone has continued to express the time as a percentage
|of the total.  Might this mean the the debugging and testing time is
|a constant and the "engineers" simply take longer to get the code written
|in the first place? 

Oh no .... that isn't it at all.... that "100%" of time is only the 10%
of the REAL time that the CS people wait around for the soft. eng's to get
frustrated and give the work to them....
Now with CS, the time varies.  Were what you'd call, variable and versatile.
We are not little money craving robots drilled with applications and small
scientific background. 
Its a shame how I find in college that ME's,CE's,EE's and AE's are NO MATCH
for upper-division or graduate physics ..... and for EEC or ECS ..... they
now about as much CS when they graduate at a lower division peon in CS.
When the arrogant society of people with an "E" on the end of their degree
get their noses out of the air and out of their wallets, and start nosing
around in and appreciating PURE science, THEN and ONLY then can the
let their pompus trash out.......until then... why don't you guys (and
gals ... no predjudice here) .. go back to school....  


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