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From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: I should go back to school?
Message-ID: <3315@ae.sei.cmu.edu>
Date: 8 May 89 15:11:58 GMT
References: <854@odyssey.ATT.COM> <1670001@hp-ptp.HP.COM> <8398@chinet.chi.il.us> <4236@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
Reply-To: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA
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In article <4236@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Jason writes:

>Oh no .... that isn't it at all.... that "100%" of time is only the 10%
>of the REAL time that the CS people wait around for the soft. eng's to get
>frustrated and give the work to them....

Jason, you seem to have a real problem here.  What happened in your recent
past that makes you say such things?  I would like to know if someone who
called him(her)self a SE got you upset, and if the statement made above is
based on a large number of years of work experience.  After all, the term
"SE" has been in general use for only a relatively short time, and then only
as an informal replacement term.


>Now with CS, the time varies.  Were [sic] what you'd call, [sic] variable and versatile.
>We are not little money craving [sic] robots drilled with [sic] applications and small
>scientific background. 

This is an apparently worthless flame adding nothing to the discussion.  Can
you please support it with some evidence?


>Its [sic] a shame how I find in college that ME's,CE's,EE's and AE's are NO MATCH
>for upper-division or graduate physics [sic] ..... and for EEC or ECS ..... they
>now [sic] about as much CS when they graduate at [sic] a lower division peon in CS.
>When the arrogant society of people with an "E" on the end of their degree
[sic] 
>get their noses out of the air and out of their wallets, and start nosing
>around in and appreciating PURE science, THEN and ONLY then can the [sic]
>let their pompus [sic] trash out.......until then... why don't you guys (and
>gals ... no predjudice here) .. go back to school....  

I don't normally comment on this subject unless the writer invites it by the
content of his message, but your suggestion that others might require more
schooling should be seen in the light of the basic spelling, compositional,
and grammatical errors (some of which were too hard to mark) that you
yourself have made in the preceeding paragraphs.  How do you communicate the
results of your work?

If you really have something to say, please take reasonable care that your
message is not disregarded simply due to its ugly package.

My suspicion is that you have very little real experience on major software
projects, almost no knowledge of what an engineering discipline really is,
and have had no formal training whatever in engineering design methods.

Please tell me that it isn't so.


Rich
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