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From: labc-3dc@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: [: broken keys, ROM copyright, COMPUTIST]
Summary: Burn any books lately?
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Date: 6 May 89 03:11:07 GMT
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In article <8905031722.aa26352@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> wmapple@BRL.MIL (Info-Apple-Request) writes:
>
>Phil, Today you wrote:
>
>> ROM copyrights:  Huh?  I'll never understand you guys.  Who CARES if it's
>> legal?  I mean, if you're just going to use it yourself & not sell it -
[more of what Phil wrote Today]

>So much for your account.  Since you're about to enter the world
>as an "educated man," with a degree from a respected liberal arts
>institution, you might consider the effects of your big mouth on the
>welfare of others, to wit:
>
>                The traffic that you and others post is carried on many
>        computers owned by the U.S. Taxpayer.  Advocating illegal activity,
>        as you did in this posting, could, if found out, cost many of us
>        access to info-apple and/or comp.sys.apple.  OUR sys
>        administrators would simply remove our access to the mailing list
>        and the newsgroup.  

I just cut off some of the original message, but the intent of it is pretty
clear.  Let's see if we can get some facts straight.

- He was expressing an opinion, not encouraging everybody to go out and
  do Evil Deeds.  This is supposed to be a forum for the exchange of ideas,
  remember?

- My sys admin is not going to drop this group because one person doesn't
  care about copyright notices on his equipment.  I'm sure people make illegal
  photocopies, but the library hasn't shut down yet.  Yes, there are signs
  posted.  Maybe you should have done something similar, rather than making
  threats or attacking others.

- I pay taxes.  Many people I know pay taxes.  None of them like censorship,
  in any form.  Perhaps absolute power corrupts absolutely?  Yes, that was
  an insinuation.

>        Why on earth do you want to do this?  Or hasn't the full impact
>        of being "grown up" hit you just yet?

- This was uncalled for.  If you want to do flames, do them somewhere else.
  I'm not telling you that you can't write them (censorship), I'm letting
  you know that most of us don't appreciate this kind of garbage.  I am
  flaming, but I am flaming in defense of the first amendment to the
  Constitution.  Want to uphold laws?  Start from there.

> _Brint Cooper
><info-apple-request@brl.mil>
>        
> PS:  I have written to the moderator of the Bitnet side of the
>list and asked that your name be removed immediately -- graduation or not.
>Congratulations:  This is a first for me!

Let us hope it is a last.  Maybe the net.gods should hear about your "first."

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