Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!uxc!garcon!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jb10320 From: jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Re: [: broken keys, ROM copyright, COMPUTIST] Message-ID: <908@garcon.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 4 May 89 07:10:11 GMT References: <8905031722.aa26352@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> Sender: news@garcon.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jawaid Bazyar) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 102 In article <8905031722.aa26352@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> wmapple@BRL.MIL (Info-Apple-Request) writes: > >Phil, Today you wrote: > >> ROM copyrights: Huh? I'll never understand you guys. Who CARES if it's >> legal? I mean, if you're just going to use it yourself & not sell it - >> even if you're going to give it away free to a few friends - you're helping >> the computing community by providing More Computer Power to the People! >> Sometimes laws are just another form of Cybercrud! >> [To all those hung-up on legal codes as their only source of morality becau! >> they are too weak-minded to determine themselves whether an action is wrong >> or right: Send all the flames you like to my system manager! I'm going to >> lose this account when I graduate this month anyway!] > > >So much for your account. Since you're about to enter the world >as an "educated man," with a degree from a respected liberal arts >institution, you might consider the effects of your big mouth on the >welfare of others, to wit: > > The traffic that you and others post is carried on many > computers owned by the U.S. Taxpayer. Advocating illegal activity, > as you did in this posting, could, if found out, cost many of us > access to info-apple and/or comp.sys.apple. OUR sys > administrators would simply remove our access to the mailing list > and the newsgroup. > > Why on earth do you want to do this? Or hasn't the full impact > of being "grown up" hit you just yet? > > _Brint Cooper > > > PS: I have written to the moderator of the Bitnet side of the >list and asked that your name be removed immediately -- graduation or not. >Congratulations: This is a first for me! Anyone ever seen a supernova? F L A M E O N ! Oh, PUH-LEASE! First of all, the activity that you so righteously claim is "illegal" is not so in any warped definition of the term. Read on: ..."It is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided: 1) That such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or 2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued posession of the computer program should cease to be rightful. Any exact copies prepared in accordance with the provisions of this section may be leased, sold, or otherwise transferred, along with the copy from which such copies were prepared, only as part of the lease, sale, or other transfer of all rights in the program. Adaptations so prepared may be transferred only with the authorization of the copyright owner." United States Copyright Code title 17, &117 (17 USC 117) See that last line? THAT IS THE LAW! So send all your crap about illegalities to /dev/null, and I would recommend a quick apology to Phil for your self-righteous attempt to blacklist him, and to all of info-apple and comp.sys.apple (whatever the difference may be) for deluding them.. I hope you REALLY FEEL GOOD about yourself, mister Brint Cooper Info-Apple-Request. You've done the forces of tyranny a great favor. If you blindly stick your foot out into the mists, it will most certainly end up in your mouth. And now, for an interpretation of the above text, quoted directly from the 1976 Federal Copyright Act. Read part one. Ok, now this basically allows such things as users installing programs on their hard drives (in the IBM world many many programs require a hard drive, so the copying of software to it has to be allowed.) As for part two, it basically states any program you lease or own may be modified by you in any way (deprotection, changing the number of guys you start with in your favorite arcade game, patching AppleWorks to not make you hit a bunch of keys on startup, etc.) as long as they are destroyed along with transfer of the program (i.e. returned at end of lease, or sold to another person). I don't know what it is with America these days. We have the most intricate and powerful legal system in the world, designed to help everyone, not just the rich or the powerful, and people don't even bother to find out what their rights are!! I know I'm not gonna sit back and let a few mis-informed mental midgets tell me what I can or cannot do, I'm gonna find out for myself. F L A M E O F F I'm sorry if this was a bit harsh, but I hate when people who think they know what they're talking about (and really don't) convice other people of their wrong ideas. Thank you for listening, and I hope I've cleared the air on this one. =============================================================================== jawaid bazyar "The history of the world is the history of jb10320@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu the warfare between secret societies." Junior/Computer Engineering @ - Ishmael Reed, Mumbo-Jumbo Univ. of Illinois ===============================================================================