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From: scott@dtscp1.UUCP (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Size of the Internet vs. UUCP net
Message-ID: <662@dtscp1.UUCP>
Date: 4 May 89 17:54:44 GMT
References: <1989Apr24.203137.5835@utzoo.uucp> <163@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> <655@dtscp1.UUCP> <173@ncis.tis.llnl.gov>
Reply-To: scott@dtscp1.UUCP (Scott Barman)
Organization: Digital Transmission Systems (a subsidiary of DCA), Duluth, GA
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I have been saying the same thing via email to too many people so I
figured I better go public:

In article <173@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> mcb@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Michael C. Berch) writes:
> [...]
>Scott, I think you missed the point of the article.  My intent was not
>to belittle sites that are not on the Internet; that would be
>preposterous and pointless.

You're right!  And I apologize.

The posting came after I got feed up after reading some of the mail
that seems to have burned through the asbestos lining of my mailbox!
I misread the article and feel a public apology is necessary!

>Just which "elitist @#$%s" are you referring to?  I don't know why you
>have a chip on your shoulder about Internet standards or protocols...

I really don't.  Honestly!  But I think it works more the otherway around.
I have been "told" (via private email) by some that uucp sites who do
not conform to the "standards" should not be allowed to participate (I got
this explained to me in a 50-line email note before I posted what I did).
I have also been told by others that any email problems we get are because
of non-conformance to the "standards" are also deserved.  Yes, there were
a few nice folk out there who even told me about how to get copies of the
RFCs from sri-nic.arpa but the negative remarks were strong, lengthy,
and largely uncalled for.

It's like this (to those I have not written back):  If you call me an
ignorant bastard at least tell me why!

Just one last, naieve sounding remark and I am going to drop this:
	I still find it difficult to accept anything that is marked
REQUEST FOR COMMENT as a standard.  But I should not be surprised since
this is all aranged by DARPA through the DoD (you know, the ones who
give us that wonderful oxymoron "military intelligence"... :-).

>Perhaps we should take this to private e-mail, as Internet vs. "Usenet"
>(i.e. UUCP) flame wars don't really belong in news.sysadmin.
If you'd like... I grow weary of this (since it seems to be a one-sided
argument anyway and I do not think I am on the right side :-) and I would
rather drop the subject!

>Michael C. Berch  
>mcb@ncis.llnl.gov / uunet!ncis.llnl.gov!mcb
-- 
scott barman
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