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From: matloff@mole.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
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Subject: Re: "Shortage" of American Grad Students
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Date: 17 May 89 18:45:07 GMT
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In article <1104@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
>In article <24490@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@heather.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:
>)In article <2857@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>)>Foreign students are almost
>)>always fully funded by their home country.

>)At least for CS, EE, etc., this is NOT the case.  In fact, even those
>)who do have support offered to them by their home government often
>)refuse it, so as not to be obligated to return after graduation.

>Shucks, and I thought we were exporting education.  :-)

Anyone who has spent some time in the Silicon Valley would add a lot
more :-) marks.  In fact, there are so many engineers who came to the 
U.S. from China or Taiwan originally as students that there are many 
companies in which Mandarin, not English, is the main language spoken.

During the 8 or 9 years I've been teaching CS here at Davis, almost
no foreign students have returned to their home countries.  NONE of
the students from Taiwan has returned; NONE of the students from
China has returned; only 2 of the students from Hong Kong have
returned; NONE of the students from India have returned.

TIME magazine said that 90% of the Taiwanese students stay in the
U.S. and become immigrants after graduation.  But even this is
misleadingly low, because it includes the less-employable fields
like sociology or history.  For the CS, EE, etc. majors, the
proportion is very near 100%.

   Norm