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From: matloff@bizet.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
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Subject: Re: "Shortage" of American Grad Students
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Date: 19 May 89 01:16:45 GMT
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In article <1108@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
>In article <24520@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@heather.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:

*)During the 8 or 9 years I've been teaching CS here at Davis, almost
*)no foreign students have returned to their home countries.  NONE of
*)the students from Taiwan has returned; NONE of the students from
*)China has returned; only 2 of the students from Hong Kong have
*)returned; NONE of the students from India have returned.

>So what is this about a shortage of American grad students?  These folks
>are as American as my grandparents.

You misunderstood.

A "foreign student" is a student who holds an F-1 or J-1 visa.

An "American student" is a student who is either a U.S. Citizen
or U.S. Permanent Resident (i.e. green-card holder).  

So there was nothing in my comments to characterize Americans of
foreign ancestry as "non-American."  By the way, my father was an
immigrant from Eastern Europe, and my wife is an immigrant from
Hong Kong.  I certainly consider both of them as AMERICANS.

    Norm