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From: wbralick@afit-ab.arpa (Will Bralick)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Re: "Shortage" of American Grad Students
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Date: 19 May 89 12:52:26 GMT
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In article <24594@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@iris.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:
>In article <1108@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
>>In article <24520@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@heather.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:
)
)*)During the 8 or 9 years I've been teaching CS here at Davis, almost
)*)no foreign students have returned to their home countries.  NONE of
)*)the students from Taiwan has returned; NONE of the students from
)*)China has returned; only 2 of the students from Hong Kong have
)*)returned; NONE of the students from India have returned.
)
)>So what is this about a shortage of American grad students?  These folks
)>are as American as my grandparents.
)
)You misunderstood.

I also expressed myself poorly.  The point that I was trying to make
was that if people come to the US and pursue graduate studies and then
stay and become US citizens, then, while they may not have been American
citizens during their programs, the net effect is the same, i.e. another 
American PhD or MS or whatever.

)
)A "foreign student" is a student who holds an F-1 or J-1 visa.
)
)An "American student" is a student who is either a U.S. Citizen
)or U.S. Permanent Resident (i.e. green-card holder).  

Point taken.

)
)So there was nothing in my comments to characterize Americans of
)foreign ancestry as "non-American."  By the way, my father was an
)immigrant from Eastern Europe, and my wife is an immigrant from
)Hong Kong.  I certainly consider both of them as AMERICANS.
)

Yes.  There was nothing in your comments to characterize Americans of
foreign ancestry as "non-American."  I didn't mean to imply that there
was.  I apologize for having failed to express myself clearly.

Regards,

-- 
Will Bralick                          |  ... when princes think more of
     wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil   |  luxury than of arms, they lose
     wbralick@afit-ab.arpa            |  their state.
with disclaimer;  use disclaimer;     |             - Niccolo Machiavelli