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From: matloff@tinman.Berkeley.EDU (Norman Matloff)
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Subject: Re: "Shortage" of American Grad Students
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Date: 19 May 89 20:33:07 GMT
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In article <1112@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
>In article <24594@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@iris.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:
>>In article <1108@afit-ab.arpa> wbralick@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Will Bralick) writes:
>>>In article <24520@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> matloff@heather.ucdavis.edu (Norm Matloff) writes:

>)*)During the 8 or 9 years I've been teaching CS here at Davis, almost
>)*)no foreign students have returned to their home countries.  NONE of
>)*)the students from Taiwan has returned; NONE of the students from
>)*)China has returned; only 2 of the students from Hong Kong have
>)*)returned; NONE of the students from India have returned.

>)>So what is this about a shortage of American grad students?  These folks
>)>are as American as my grandparents.

>)You misunderstood.

*I also expressed myself poorly.  The point that I was trying to make
*was that if people come to the US and pursue graduate studies and then
*stay and become US citizens, then, while they may not have been American
*citizens during their programs, the net effect is the same, i.e. another 
*American PhD or MS or whatever.

Right!!!!  I have tried to explain this to the California State 
Legislature, which has demanded that all UC campuses hold foreign 
enrollment in engineering down to 28%.  But they just don't understand.
If only they could spend some time in the Silicon Valley and see how
much it is depending on engineers who originally came to the U.S. as
foreign students, then maybe these legislators would get the point.
Meanwhile, they're the same idiots who keep complaining that we can't
compete with Japan in electronics!

    Norm