Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!iuvax!rutgers!apple!amdahl!littauer From: littauer@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Littauer) Newsgroups: comp.graphics Subject: Re: Geographics Informations Systems Message-ID: Date: 11 May 89 13:48:22 GMT References: <1997@Portia.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: littauer@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Tom Littauer) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 53 In article <1997@Portia.Stanford.EDU> rick@hanauma (Richard Ottolini) writes: ... about the US Geological Survey and Geographic Info. Systems ... >(2) The memory storage problem: I heard an estimate of ten terrabytes for >for the 55K USGS map collection. And this is relatively coarse vector information. >By the time the topo maps are digitized, ten terrabyte optical systems should >be available. We used USGS 100K map data for our UniForum demo (you tell us your favorite obscure place, we'll produce a map) and can give you a little data... The USGS isn't used to talking about how much data is in the database in terms of bytes. Any estimates you get from them will be VERY rough. One data point: Transportation layer(s) at 100K took about 8-10 GB for the contiguous 48 states. As you get it from the USGS it is *NOT* efficiently encoded (ascii, fixed-length records, blank padding). The 8-10 GB I mentioned is as it came from USGS -- we didn't bother compressing because we were making a point about bigness :-) >(3) The information representation problem: The USGS data is stored as vector >sets in approximate location order. There is minimal feature naming or indexing. >This fine for drawing maps, but difficult for locating named features or >constructing roadmaps, etc. It is the classical database problem of >efficiency verses functionality, but on a huge scale. The companion Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) database serves as index (~180K town and locale names, MANY more features) but is accurate only to seconds of latitude/longitude. This gets to be a problem too... >(4) The copyright problem: When efficient GIS's become available, the >databases themselves become exetremely valuable and some commercial mechanism >will have to be found to distribute them. The 8-10 GB and GNIS data mentioned above ran about $40K >(5) The display problem: Maps require large, high resolution screen or printed >displays. They need good interfaces, either interactive or well thought out >artistry, to mange the complexity of information. I believe this problem is >closest to a solution in both its traditional printed maps and computer interfaces. The display problem drove me nuts - people not in the graphics business were impressed, but ... -- UUCP: littauer@amdahl.amdahl.com or: {sun,decwrl,hplabs,pyramid,ames,uunet}!amdahl!littauer DDD: (408) 737-5056 USPS: Amdahl Corp. M/S 278, 1250 E. Arques Av, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 I'll tell you when I'm giving you the party line. The rest of the time it's my very own ravings (accept no substitutes).