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From: kenton@athena.mit.edu (Kenton C. Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Problem with K-Star replacing KIP
Summary: IPADDRESS or IPGATEWAY?
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Date: 18 May 89 16:28:50 GMT
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In article <27890@cornell.UUCP> dean@cs.cornell.edu (Dean Krafft) writes:
>....
>To run K-Star, I have gotten the Kinetics 2 -> 2/U upgrade.
>
>Unfortunately, when I try to switch to the new box, the KIP gatewaying
>function vanishes.  I can access the new box running K-Star (and the same
>atalkatab configuration file) from the Macs or from the UNIX side, but
>when I run the CAP look program on my unix host, I only see the Kinetics
>box, and none of the Laserwriters.  The only thing different about the
>listing for the Kinetics box is that it reports itself as "IPADDRESS"
>rather than "IPGATEWAY" the way the KIP-code box did.
>
>					Dean Krafft
>					Director of Computing Facilities
>					Computer Science Dept.
>					Cornell University
>					(607) 255-9214
>					dean@cs.cornell.edu

I have a very similar problem.  From the net with the 2/U box I can see
machines on other AppleTalk nets (which happen to be on 2 boxes running KIP),
I can print to LaserWriters on those other nets.  I can even get CAP
Appleshare access to the unix machines on the ethernet.  But NCSA Telnet
cannot get a dynamic IP address from the 2/U. If I specify a static one, I
cannot telnet to the unix machines - I get an error message "host or
gateway not responding".

Like Dean, my 2/U box identifies itself as "IPADDRESS" rather than
"IPGATEWAY".  Also like Dean's case, Kinetics was less than helpful. 
They seemed to feel that, if I bought their replacement for telnet
(at $100 a pop) then everything would work fine.  I am skeptical,
as it's clearly the gateway which does not know it's a gateway, and
not the telnet program.

It might be noted that atalkad's log file does record that the 2/U has
requested information, just the same as for the KIP boxes.  And, as I said,
Macs on the 2/U's net can get to Appleshare  files on the unix machines.
(As I understand it, this doesn't require IP, though.)
Does anyone have any suggestions about configuring this thing?

[As an aside, and to vent frustration, I didn't order 2/U's, just 2's.
I spent months trying to get these things to work berfore I even knew there
*was* such a thing as a 2/U.  I tried putting old 3.0 ROMs in the 2/U,
only to find out that they're incompatible.  Otherwise I'd just be using
the KIP software in all my gateways, since I know how to make that work.]
--
Kenton C. Phillips
kenton@space.mit.edu