Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uflorida!gatech!mcnc!ecsvax!skyler From: skyler@ecsvax.UUCP (Patricia Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women competing with men Message-ID: <6977@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 10 May 89 16:13:58 GMT Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Lines: 91 Approved: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu [I've compiled some of the responses to the original posting. TR] From: "I.F.James" Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women competing with men Message-Id: <2931@gos.ukc.ac.uk> Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Status: R In article <6938@ecsvax.UUCP> gatech!cs.utexas.edu!cu.warwick.ac.uk!cudat@mcnc.org (J M Hicks) writes: >"'Enjoy being a woman and don't compete with men on their own terms.'" If the writer is suggesting that women should not compete in the way that men compete, I would thouroughly agree. I do not think that men should compete in the way that they compete. One of the factors that causes me to prefer the woman bosses I have had is that the only thing I am required to prove is that I can do my job, not constantly prove my worth in some sort of tribal macho hierarchy. Fraser James. From denning@src.dec.com Mon May 8 17:34:02 1989 From: denning@src.dec.com (Dorothy Denning) Message-Id: <8905081824.AA27394@jumbo.pa.dec.com> My advice, which applies to any career path, is Be aware of what you and others are doing at all times. Do what needs to be done and what you are capable of doing. Don't think in terms of "men" vs. "woman" or in terms of competition. Dorothy Denning From: Alastair Milne Message-Id: <13691@paris.ics.uci.edu> I'm not even sure what she means. What does she consider men's "own terms"? A certain set of subjects? A sort of behaviour or attitude? (maybe having the whole article would tell me, but I don't have it.) I can think of a couple of very different meanings: - all the highly technical stuff is dominated by men, so be satisfied with the alternate areas where you can do well; (i.e. "men's terms" means very technical areas) OR - the fact that you are aiming for an area in which men have so far predominated does not mean you should try to assume male ways of working, and you should in fact avoid trying to do so. (i.e. "men's terms" means male comportment and behaviour). Assuming that one of these comes close, I certainly hope it's the second. I do hope she was clearer in the article. Alastair Milne From: joi@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (joy.m.grosekemper) Message-Id: <713@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> > I happen to be a male, but I love to read the news so I thought I might > reply to this posting. > > I think it's trash, "... own terms .." what is this ?? I like to think that You may think it's trash, but really, it's not. I believe what she's referring to is the difference in styles of men and women. We've had several discussions at our women's group here discussing this, and have noticed that men tend to *appear* more confident, more aggressive (assertive?), and less questioning of their abilities than women. [stuff deleted] > I say compete, beat and take over the field for all I care .... I just > want to work with the best .......... I couldn't agree with you more that I just want to work with the best! And I don't care what gender, color, religious persuasion, or anything else! BUT, I for one compete only with myself. I'd rather see teamwork than competition emphasised in a work environment. I think a lot more is accomplished that way. Yes, in a way one competes just by virtue of test taking (at school) and then job hunting, but I still think the emphasis should be on improving your own knowledge and skills. Everything else will take care of itself. joi