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From: eileenp%pogo.wv.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET (Eileen J. Phelan)
Newsgroups: comp.society.women
Subject: Re: On our own terms
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Date: 15 May 89 18:53:47 GMT
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In article <6970@ecsvax.UUCP> eliz@cs.rochester.edu writes:
>...I'm a holdout for competing On Our Own Terms.
>My first reading of Ware was that she was saying "don't compete" to women.
>This isn't really what she's saying, though.  For women to compete on our
>...example might be that, where traditionally the most successful manager
>might be the one whose group writes the most code, the most successful
>on traditionally feminine terms might be slightly less productive but 
>have a very pleasant interpersonal environment.   (In fact I choose my jobs 
>using this criterion.) A woman who values relationships
>
Okay, I have to say this.  I believe that the best group is the one that gets
the best results, the most results, AND is the greatest place to work.  I
think they go together.  I get upset when I hear someone say that the work
has to suffer for the sake of the interpersonal environment, because it just
isn't true.  In fact, I believe that knowing you have the best and most 
results is very conducive to a happy group.  Yes, I have been in groups like
this.  Groups in which everyone would stay late if one person had work that
needed to be done.  Groups in which ALL the software released worked
according to spec.  Yes, it really did.  Happy groups, in which we all
by preference had lunch together regularly.

>Some other traditionally feminine values that have a place in the workplace:

I agree with these; if I include them the line counter won't let me post.

Eileen