Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cwjcc!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ucdavis!iris!kerchen From: kerchen@iris.ucdavis.edu (Paul Kerchen) Newsgroups: comp.software-eng Subject: Re: I should go back to school? Summary: flame of Gabler Message-ID: <4269@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Date: 10 May 89 17:55:19 GMT References: <854@odyssey.ATT.COM> <1670001@hp-ptp.HP.COM> <8398@chinet.chi.il.us> <4236@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <3315@ae.sei.cmu.edu> <4255@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Sender: uucp@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu Reply-To: kerchen@iris.ucdavis.edu (Paul Kerchen) Organization: U.C. Davis - Dept of EE & CS Lines: 62 What follows is a rather personal flame directed at Jason Gabler and anyone else who shares his opinions. I feel that I have an obligation as a UC Davis engineer to publicly respond to Mr. Gabler's gross generalizations. Please note that this is aimed at Mr. Gabler and not computer science majors in general. I'll not be accused of the same stereotyping for which I am flaming Jason Gabler. Jason Gabler writes: > Its a shame how I find in college that ME's,CE's,EE's and AE's are NO MATCH > for upper-division or graduate physics [majors] ..... and for EEC or ECS > ..... they [know] about as much CS when they graduate [as] a lower division > peon in CS. And it's also a shame that you are no match for a freshman English major. Computer Science and Engineering majors are exposed to the exact same material as Computer Science and Mathematics majors. Therefore, to make a statement like the one above implies that CS people consistently do better in these classes than ECS people, but this simply is not the case. To argue whether CS is better that ECS or vice versa is foolish and it shows a great deal of immaturity on your part. > get their noses out of the air and out of their wallets, and start nosing > around in and appreciating PURE science, THEN and ONLY then can the Simply because you've encountered some "money craving robots" does not imply that all engineers are the same way; proof by induction doesn't work when classifying people and a pure scientist such as yourself should know that by now. I can disprove your statement by contradiction: I'll name a dozen engineers who don't give a damn about how much they'll be making when they get out of school. Anyone who goes into engineering just for the money will soon find themselves very unhappy and then you can laugh all the way back to library. Meanwhile, the rest of us will go on enjoying what we're doing regardless of how much we're being paid. > agree, but I really don't care about paying special attention to the > fact that there is not a superb correctness to my spelling. > Also, the situation is CS and E , not English... > ... > originally studying English or language in college? The important > part is the idea's of the posting not its spelling. If you want to flame, > flame that... What good is the idea behind the posting if no one can understand it? Minor grammatical mistakes can be forgiven, but when one has to wade through numerous spelling, diction, punctuation, and fundamental structural errors the main point of the message is lost in trying to decipher it. A "love for pure science" is all well and fine, but there *is* a real world outside of the university. Industry complains that university schooling is already too detached from reality and yet you advocate further separation! > Oh and excuse my english. I only got a C+ in my English A class way back > when. :) They certainly were generous. Paul Kerchen | kerchen@iris.ucdavis.edu