Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!AECLCR.BITNET!01659 From: 01659@AECLCR.BITNET (Greg Csullog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: The ST as a PC or a Mac Message-ID: <8905151535.AA13997@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 15 May 89 15:36:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 54 Several times, seemingly anti-ST types have marvelled at the fact that ST users are infatuated with software/hardware that lets the ST become a PC or a Mac. Somehow, they feel that the ability to run like another system means that ST users are unhappy about the ST being an ST. Not so! PC in ST's clothing: I purchased PC Ditto to use on my ST at work for two reasons. First, it was next to impossible to buy a computer unless it was IBM-PC compatible. A user had to bare his soul to justify not buying a PC. Therefore, if I could say that my ST could run PC software I could buy the machine. Second, I had to use a PC for about a year (acquired to do some contract work) and ocassionally I had to go back and do some work using dBASE and Word Perfect (my award winner for the most inappropriately named software on earth). All I did was uninstall these applications from the PC and put them on my ST. Then, when I had to do work related to previous PC based jobs, I could get it done without leaving my ST. Now, I have abandoned Word Perfect in favour of a word processor made for humans (Word Writer) and I bought dbMAN to handle any dBASE work. All I use PC Ditto for is to run Norton Utilities to re-pack files. Had PC Ditto-II been out, I could have kept using dBASE on the ST and forgotten about dbMAN since I made the switch for speed reasons. (Oh yes, I also use PC Ditto to teach unskilled users the difference between an MS DOS command- line interface and the GEM interface on the ST; students turn pale at the thought of dealing with DOS instead of GEM). Mac in ST's clothing: Just like ST enthusiasts at work, Mac enthusiasts ran up against a brick wall when trying to justify not buying a PC. Now there are quite a few Macs on site (115 Macs as compared to 60 - 70 STs). Two persons in my work group have Macs; they went that route because of great software (better than was available on the ST ) and user friendliness. Since I support users in the work group, I acquired Magic Sac and then Spectre to learn the ins and outs of being a Mac. Now I have HYPERCARD and EXCEL. However, when I do spreadsheets, I prefer the LOTUS / interface instead of the mouse so I create sheets in the ST program LDW and I import them to EXCEL for final graphing. So, while emulation has given me a lot, I still return to the ST when I want to be most productive. Emulation allows me to use the best of the other guy's systems and the best of my ST, all with the same keyboard. Yeah, I get hyped up on PC Ditto II and Spectre GCR because they open up lots of possibilities for me and my ST. But, that does not mean I do not get the most out of my ST. One last note. I understand that the Mac program called "II in a Mac" lets the Mac run Apple II software. Schools that have lots of Apple II software are apparently interested since they can bridge the sofware gap with Apple II emulation on a Mac. I was also told that "II on a Mac" runs under Spectre. That means you can turn an ST into a Mac that turns into an Apple II. No doubt, some hacker has a code to let the Apple II run Commodore 64 codes. Think about that one for awhile!