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From: jgreco@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Joe Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: A better C128 term (was Re: DesTerm gripes)
Keywords: BobsTerm Pro, Desterm, Dialogue
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Date: 12 May 89 18:35:33 GMT
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In comp.sys.cbm article <1989May8.153709.20681@ziebmef.uucp>, ragnarok@ziebmef.UUCP (Ragnarok) wrote:
]>When I see a version of DesTerm that works well (and correctly), I
]>will be happy to use it on the occasions I use a c128.  Until then,
]>C64KERMIT in C128 mode works much better, providing the emulation
]>features I really need.  Otherwise, I use BTPro....  if DesTerm (or
]>DavesTerm or any other terminal) can do it better, I will use it.
]
]Well, our Desterm arrived DOA at this site, but from what I've been hearing 
]it's probably been for the best.

I'd agree.  DesTerm may be nice when it's a little more developed, but
right now it is less useful than a 1660.  (Endless emulation gripes
will not be repeated.)

]OK, I've got (IMHO) a better terminal for you for the C128:  Dialogue 128, by
]Workable Concepts here in Toronto.  The program features VT100, ANSI and C64
]colour graphics emulation, with auto-logon and macro capability.  The usual
]amenities, plus drop-down menus (if you want them - most of the commands are
]accessible via direct key-combinations).  The best thing about it is the
]organization of the help/command menus -instead of stepping endlessly through
]submenus here and there, all options are set up on one set of menus only.  

I suppose that depends on your tastes; I am assuming you mean that
several different menus are available from the terminal mode directly.
That, to me, is somewhat less important than it may be to you.  The
BobsTerm Pro organization has always made a great deal of sense to me,
but I would definitely object to something a level or two greater.

]There's no sublevels or menu nesting.  The dropdown menus are always optional
]and change depending on the mode the terminal is in.  Version 2 is now
]available, I understand (although I haven't gotten mine updated yet).  I have 
]no official affiliation with Workable Concepts other than being a satisfied
]customer (can't stand to use BobsTerm Pro now).  For more information, contact
]Workable Concepts at 281 St. Germain Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, M5M 1W4.

Workable Concepts.  Aren't those my Canadian friends who sponsored
PC-PunterNet?  If so, I would not contact them for anything.  They
don't think clearly.  That shows in their support of "PC-PunterNet,"
and I would assume it carries through to other products.

They also insulted me a few months ago by sending me a letter stating:
"You are receiving this letter today, because at one time, you were a
SYSOP and operated a BBS."  That was their introduction to a flyer for
PC-PunterNet and really turned me off because I still DO operate a BBS.

Also, they have not always been very cooperative in their support of
AMEX MODS (for BBS64).  Past history indicates that it may not be wise
to do business with them.

The opinions expressed within are entirely my own and may very well be
prejudiced by past experience.

By the way, I am NOT trying to rip you apart or anything.  Dialogue
may work very well for you.
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