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From: jgreco@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Joe Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm
Subject: Re: A better C128 term (was Re: DesTerm gripes)
Message-ID: <2579@csd4.milw.wisc.edu>
Date: 19 May 89 07:19:02 GMT
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In comp.sys.cbm article <2372.24724227@isishq.FIDONET.ORG>, izot@f171.n221.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Geoffrey Welsh) wrote:
]
] > From: jgreco@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Joe Greco)
] > Message-ID: <2543@csd4.milw.wisc.edu>
] 
]GW> ... C64 PunterNet nodes are second-class systems ...
] 
]JG > second class nodes on a third rate network....
] 
]   I made the mistake of expressing similar sentiments to Roman Kowalczuk in a 
]much stronger way (sometimes it's hard to impress an idea on Roman), and he 
]had the insensitivity to forward the message to Steve's BBS - publicly!
] 
]   Not surprisingly, Steve is quite upset at my comment...

Roman would.

If you really would like to get Steve upset, you could forward him
copies of an exchange of public messages on Node 31 some months
back....  somebody referred to "hearing it from the horse's mouth"
(meaning Punter, who had made some "point" about PC-PN) and I couldn't
resist.  I said "wrong end"....  which really livened up the conversation.

None of it, of course,  any good.

I don't have any real use for PunterNet.  Two pen pals have shut down
their nodes.  Another offered to sell me his HD.  The only person I am
still really interested in talking to that runs a BBS64 is a local.
It's expensive, BBS64 doesn't care too much for my Courier 2400's, and
Steve is a real drip.  Long  distance phone calls at 1200 baud cost a
HECK of a lot.  Why?  There's PC-Pursuit.  Or Internet/UUCP  :-).
There used to be 3 or 4 nodes here in metro Milwaukee.  I suggested
consolidating network traffic through one system, to save costs.
There was a fair amount of enthusiasm (especially since I have 2400
baud  capabilities), but Punter was uncooperative.  In the meantime,
one local node switched to Fido, Steve promised "no help," and I
became disinterested.
  
] > am just wondering why I was stupid enough  to spend ANY money on BBS64
] > in the first place.
] 
]   Because it's the best there is for that hardware.

I doubt THAT.  What I'm running right now is more user friendly and
more flexible.  Imagine something between TBBS2.0 and QuickBBS for the
64, and you have an idea of what I am running.

] > When he started PC-PN, most of us did not expect Steve to resume  work
] > on BBS64.  I'm not the only BBS64 owner that feels a little burned
] > about it.
] 
]   I know this is the wrong conference to be saying this in, but C64 users in 
]general are miffed at the way some people are backing off development & 
]support of C64 products... when you think of it, the C64 has had one of the 
]longest and most productive lives of any microcomputer, and I think that C64 
]users are spoiled by it. Look at the present support for early TRS-80 
]products, the Mattel Aquarius, the Coleco Adam, the CompuColour II, the 
]TI-99/4A... to this day C64 owners have it better off than owners of those 
]machines ever did.

I'd agree.  Still, many of us feel that Steve has never really lived
up to  his obligations, and this is kind of a final nail in  the coffin.
--
jgreco@csd4.milw.wisc.edu		Joe Greco at FidoNet 1:154/200
USnail: 9905 W Montana Ave			     PunterNet Node 30 or 31
	West Allis, WI  53227-3329	"These aren't anybody's opinions."
Voice:	414/321-6184			Data: 414/321-9287 (Happy Hacker's BBS)