Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU!Info-Mac-Request From: Info-Mac-Request@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (The Moderators) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #88 Message-ID: <8905152115.AA21732@sumex-aim.stanford.edu> Date: 15 May 89 21:14:55 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Organization: The Internet Lines: 548 Approved: info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu Info-Mac Digest Mon, 15 May 89 Volume 7 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: 6.0.3 Allegro CL Color Pattern Maker 1.1 Desginer Draw digitizing boards ? Finally, Peer-to-Peer non-dedicated AppleShare, this month!!! Hypercard Info-Mac Digest V7 #83 Insect DA Launcher MAC picture format NFS Source? pmmu Repoman sounds THINK Pascal 2.01 Patcher Your Info-Mac Moderators are Lance Nakata, Jon Pugh, and Bill Lipa. The Info-Mac archives are available (by using FTP, account anonymous, any password) in the info-mac directory on sumex-aim.stanford.edu [36.44.0.6]. Please send articles and binaries to info-mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Send administrative mail to info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 May 89 20:53:13 PDT From: dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) Subject: 6.0.3 > Ok, I know those of us without an SE/30 or a Mac II(c)x don't *need* > System 6.0.3, but is there any *harm* in using it? I don't believe so. 6.0.3 has the "hooks" for using the newly-released 32-bit Color QuickDraw; QD32 has some pretty neat capabilities (dithered images, for example) that some of your folks might want to play around with. There's no harm in using 6.0.3 on any machine from a Plus on up... it differs very little from 6.0.2. If you have any external hard disks that you like to keep in a bootable, ready-to-use condition, you should probably install 6.0.3 so that they can be used on any machine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 1989 17:43:28 PDT From: John Sotos Subject: Allegro CL If this has been discussed before, perhaps someone can refer me to the proper archive... Anyway, I am embarking on a development effort soon that will be very difficult without object-oriented programming. What has been the general experience with OOP in Allegro Common Lisp? In particular, every review I've seen of it mentions that Allegro's non-standard object system has not been "optimized" and is perhaps not suitable, therefore, for serious development work. True? Somewhat true? Also, has anyone tried using the Portable Common Loops package? If there is interest, I can summarize for the net. Thanks, John Sotos Johns Hopkins Hospital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 89 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Norman William Franke, III" Subject: Color Pattern Maker 1.1 This is version 1.1 of Color Pattern Maker, a program which will create 8, 16, 32 or 64 square ppats for use as desktop patterns. Version 1.0 had a bug that caused an error if one tried to save a 64 * 64 ppat, this is fixed in this version. Color Pattern Maker is shareware, $8. Norman Franke nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu [Archived as /info-mac/util/color-pattern-maker-11.hqx; 51K] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 07:57 EST From: "Steven W. Holland" Subject: Desginer Draw > It turns out that the shareware version 1.0 of Designer Draw (April 1987) > works fine on a Mac Plus, SE, or SE/30, but will not work on any Mac II > series machine. I suspect the problem is related to the bigger screen. Designer Draw is now out as version 3.1 which runs on Mac II's. It is available from Compu$erve MACBIZ data library 3 under the name Design.sit. The shareware fee is $45. The nearly 100K file contains a 23 page user manual and several examples in addition to the program. -Steve Holland, GMR ____________ Message Was Also Addressed To ... rcvax::net%"Les_Ferch@mtsg.ubc.ca" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 89 23:41 CDT From: "Sandro Corsi, Univ.of WI-Oshkosh" Subject: digitizing boards ? Sergio asks about graphic tablets for the Mac... If you can get hold of a copy, the February 89 issue of "The Active Window", put out by the Boston Computer Society's Mac Group, carries a comparative review of Mac tablets by Lawrence San (p.38). To make a long story short, he recommends the Kurta IS/ADB over the Summagraphics Bit Pad Plus. He also mentions a product by CalComp, but does not include it in his tests due to unavailability. My personal experience... about a year ago I bought ten Kurta IS/ADBs with corded styluses (you can also get them with cordless styluses, and with corded/cordless pucks) for our Mac II's. Aside from occasional stylus switch flakyness, the things proved a good investment. HOWEVER -- we are only interested in having a responsive medium (i.e. -- something you control with your fingertips instead of your elbow) for freehand drawing. I cannot vouch for their accuracy in precise tracing applications such as CAD and drafting (besides, such applications would be best served by pucks -- and we haven't bought any). On the subject of corded vs. cordless -- stick with the old-fashioned ways. I've tried cordless styluses at Kurta's booth at a couple of conventions, and derived the impression that responsiveness, and possibly resolution, are inferior. San's article provides the following addresses: Kurta Corporation 3007 East Chambers St. Phoenix, AZ 85040 1-800-44-KURTA Summagraphics Corporation 60 Silvermine Rd Seymour, CT 06483 1-800-221-9244 CalComp, Inc. 2411 West La Palma Ave. Anaheim, CA 92801 1-800-CALCOMP AutoEase, Inc. (third-party drivers for Kurta & Summagr. tablets) 1325 South 800 East #315 Orem, Utah 84058 1-800-752-3273 In addition, it is possible that in the meanwhile also GTCO came out with an ADB tablet. BTW -- the foregoing ONLY applies if you have a Mac from the SE or II families (i.e., with ADB ports). If you have a Plus or older you'd have to look for a tablet with a serial port interface. In my early days I used a Summagraphics serial MacTablet on a "Slim Mac", with fairly good results -- but that was a long time ago... I doubt whether they even make them anymore. Best, Sandro Corsi Art Dept. Univ. of Wisconsin - Oshkosh Oshkosh, WI 54901 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 89 04:28:31 EDT From: Alexis Rosen Subject: Finally, Peer-to-Peer non-dedicated AppleShare, this month!!! Finally, a Peer-to-Peer non-dedicated distributed AppleShare! For a long time now, people have been wishing for an AppleShare server which didn't require a dedicated Mac. For just as long, people have been buying TOPS instead. But now we are beginning to see just how bad TOPS really is. It's totally incompatible with AppleShare, and Sun has no interest in or desire to implement AFP compatability in the near future, despite markting claims to the contrary. There are also a host of bugs that make using DBMSs with TOPS difficult to impossible. Finally, a solution is at hand. IPT will shortly be releasing Peer-to-Peer AppleShare, which does NOT require a dedicated machine for file service. You can read all about it on page 1 of next week's MacWeek, but here is a summary: 1) Peer-to-Peer AppleShare runs on Macs, PCs, and Unix machines. 2) Price for the Mac software is *** $150 *** per server! 3) Claimed speed is "slightly faster than AppleShare." 4) Fully compliant with AFP. 5) Does NOT send out garbage serial-number packets on the net. 6) To be released by June 1. Now, all this comes from talking to their marketing VP. She is a very capable person technically, so the chances of her being wrong because of a lack of understanding the subject are pretty much nil. As to whether or not they are overestimating their speed or compatability, I will know soon, as we are receiving beta copies early next week. Note that the price for setting up a network initially looks like it's about 1/2 the price of a TOPS network. After all, TOPS is $289 per Mac while this is $150 per Mac. (I am using list prices here for convenience, but this should scale down to street prices pretty evenly.) In fact, IPT's server is MUCH cheaper even than that. For example, one of my clients has a network of about 100 Macs and a few dozen PCs. Forgetting the PCs for now, it would cost $28,900 to network them on TOPS, and probably only ten percent of the machines (or less) would actually be file servers. So they could actually buy AppleShare on eight dedicated Mac SEs to serve the net, at the same price. In fact, they did just that, before I started working with them. On the other hand, consider the cost of setting up this same net with Peer-to-Peer Appleshare. If you want ten machines as servers, your total cost is *$1500* since you only need to buy copies of the software for the servers. All the other machines on the net use the AppleShare client server software that comes with all Macintoshes. For smaller networks, when less money is available, the difference is even more impressive. For a ten Mac network, with one server, TOPS would cost $2890, and AppleShare would cost $2600 (or more, depending on what kind of Mac you use for a server). IPT's AppleShare would cost $150. Also note that Tops consumes almost 70K more memory than the AppleShare Client software. That means that every user who doesn't need to serve up his disk gets back 70K. That's enough room for QuickMail, QuickKeys, or a bunch of smaller INITs, for example. On a 1MB Mac, it could instead mean the difference between being able to run MultiFinder or not. Administrators of large networks will be glad to know that IPT's server does not send out serial-number packets every few seconds, unlike TOPS. These packets can really clog a large network. They are especially antisocial when you are putting Macs on an EtherNet cable along with lots of other machines, a practice which is becoming more and more common at universities and large companies. When I get the Beta copies next week, there are a number of interesting questions that I will then be able to answer. For starters, how much memory does a server use? How much does this slow down the CPU? How does is respond under heavy load? Is it *really* compliant with AFP, including byte-range locking and the Desktop Manager calls? Will this software really performs according to IPT's claims? I'll let you all know, but for now it seems likely that they've done it right. IPT has been in the business since the Mac first came out, so they've got the experience to do it. Assuming it works, this will have an incredible impact on the Mac market. It will demolish TOPS virtually overnight, which might well be what Sun really wants anyway (after all, Sun's game plan calls for NFS to rule the world, not TOPS, and they've done nothing to integrate the two in almost two years). It will also consolidate the Mac networking market around AFP, and put even greater pressure on 3Com to finish up it's AFP services sooner. It is interesting to watch history repeat itself. In early 1986 InfoSphere, publisher of MacServe, virtually owned the networking market. 3Com was only a bit player. There was nothing else, except this upstart called TOPS. The great thing about TOPS was that it allowed people to use the same folders on the same disks at the same time, whereas MacServe only let one person have write access to a given disk (or volume, actually) at the same time. InfoSphere refused to upgrade their product and as a result their market share went from upwards of 90% to about 0% today. (Amazingly, from the ashes of MacServe rose Liason, a truly wonderful product which bridges multiple AppleTalk nets.) Today, the same thing is about to happen. TOPS dominates the market. They are starting to lose market share to AppleShare because they are incompatible with AFP (and thus certain important programs, such as FoxBase). But they still hold their position on the basis of TOPS's ability to run in the background and serve folders from every Mac on the net. Now IPT is introducing a product that does all this, and is also fully compatible with AFP and AppleShare, at a fraction of the price. For every thing there is a season, and TOPS' season is just about over. It's about time. Perhaps it would be wise to wait until I post my evaluation early next week before you call them. If you want to talk to them right away, though, their address is: Information Presentation Technologies (IPT) 23801 Calabasas Road Suite 2008 Calabasas, CA 91302 Their telephone number is (818) 347-7791. I spoke to Olivia Fazela, but probably anyone there can answer questions. Mention that you saw my posting on the net- It won't get you a deal, but the more respect companies have for the net as an influence on their sales, the better it is for all of us... I have absolutely no affiliation with either IPT or TOPS, except as an unsatisfied customer of TOPS' and as a Beta site for both companies. Copyright 1989 by Alexis M. Rosen. Please do not reprint this (distribution on the internet is OK) because it will serve as the basis of the review I am writing. --- Alexis Rosen alexis@ccnysci.{uucp,bitnet} alexis@rascal.ics.utexas.edu (last resort) You can also try alexis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, but it may not work yet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 09:51:58 EDT From: Mike Lutas Subject: Hypercard I just borrowed Hypercard 1.2 for a test drive on my 1M Mac SE and without fail it crashes whenever I want to change fonts in a field or look at a button icon. HELP! Mike |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | People say I should use a signature box so I guess I will. | | MLUTAS@SBCCVM | | Mike Lutas | | 189 North Washington Ave. | | Centereach, NY 11720 | | (516) 467-7910 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 07:27:52 EDT From: David_Detlefsen@ub.cc.umich.edu Subject: Info-Mac Digest V7 #83 Is there something I'm missing here? Try this script in Hypercard. I'm using Hypercard 1.2.2 on an SE/30 with Finder 6.03, System 6.1 and 2 megs of RAM. on mouseUp global array put empty into array repeat with x = 1 to 5 put x into item 2 of line x of array end repeat repeat with x = 1 to 5 put line x of array wait 120 end repeat end mouseUp The results I get are that the x goes into item 2 of the first line while going into item 1 of subsequent lines. If, however and of course, you put something into item 1 to occupy space, things work out as expected. on mouseUp global array put empty into array repeat with x = 1 to 5 put "dummy" into item 1 of line x of array end repeat repeat with x = 1 to 5 put x into item 2 of line x of array end repeat repeat with x = 1 to 5 put line x of array wait 120 end repeat end mouseUp David Detlefsen University of Michigan Chemistry Department Ann Arbor, MI 48104 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 10:07:51 EDT From: ephraim@think.com Subject: Insect DA Enclosed is the very latest version of the Insect DA. This version works properly on the Mac 128, 512, 512e, Plus, and SE. It does not work properly on the Mac II and later models because: 1. It seems not to hook HideCursor correctly. This probably isn't too hard to fix, but I haven't looked into it. 2. It assumes the screen depth is one bit (i.e., monochrome). This could be tough to handle properly. This latest version uses its own local random number generator so that it needn't care about A5. (The toolbox _Random is a quickdraw routine, and depends on access to the quickdraw globals via A5.) Complete source code is included. The insects are VBL tasks, so this might be interesting even if you don't want little bugs crawling up your screen. Ephraim Vishniac / Internet: ephraim@think.com / AppleLink: ThinkingCorp Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142-1214 "Arlo Guthrie, it seems, has found what he was looking for: God, and the Macintosh." (Boston Globe) [Archived as /info-mac/da/insect.hqx; 18K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 89 14:15:18 EDT From: Wayne Folta Subject: Launcher This is Launcher, a free utility that launches other programs. I got it directly from CompuServe. Instructions are included, but you basically make as many duplicates of Launcher as programs you want to launch. The first time you launch each Launcher, it prompts you for the program and optional file that you wish Launcher to launch. Launcher can also change your colors (for example, set colors to B&W for programs that require this). On the downside, each copy of Launcher takes up ~14 Kbytes. It claims to work on ALL Macs ever made, and I have run it for several months on my Mac SE. [Archived as /info-mac/util/launcher.hqx; 71K] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 89 13:30:52 LCL From: Sedat ALIS Subject: MAC picture format How can I find Macintosh's(MacDraw) standard picture format? Thank you. Sedat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 89 14:14:50 EDT From: Dave_Busse@sdatl1.ceo.dg.com Subject: NFS Source? A friend of mine has the problem of integrating a couple of Macs into a Sun System network. Does anyone know if NFS is in the public domain or is in anyother way available in any form for the Mac? I think he is interested in source code, but would be willing to look at anything. His primary concern seems to be cost. He gets to attempt this project with little or no funding...... Thanks in advance for any info. Dave Busse dave_busse@sdatl1.ceo.dg.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 89 08:32:17 EDT From: Raynaud Subject: pmmu About products that use the PMMU to give extra RAM : _ first, the PMMU has been done exactly for this job. _ second, it works just fine. The only problem is to find a PMMU at a decent price. So if anybody knows ? When you have the PMMU, you only lack software, which is not so difficult to write, and probably soon, we will see in the Public Domain an equivalent of Virtual. So, if I could find a not too expensive PMMU, it would be all I need. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 89 14:20:18 EDT From: djhill@rodan.acs.syr.edu ( Number_6 **) Subject: Repoman sounds This file contains some classic quotes from the film Repoman. Be warned that some may offended by the language in one sound but hey, if you've seen Repoman you'll already be used to it. Unfortunately this will be the last series of sounds I'll be able to post for a while since I'll be graduating from S.U. on May 14th. Douglas J. Hill - djhill@rodan.acs.syr.edu RSDJH@SUVM [ BITNET ] or User #1 at Europa BBS (315)-426-8092 [Archived as /info-mac/sound/repoman-various-part1.hqx; 168K /info-mac/sound/repoman-various-part2.hqx; 156K] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 89 15:52:53 EDT From: siegel@harvard.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) Subject: THINK Pascal 2.01 Patcher This Is a superset of the 2.0p1 patcher, and fixes the additional crasher that occured when clicking rapidly on the spray can. R. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rich Siegel Staff Software Developer Symantec Corporation, Language Products Group Internet: siegel@endor.harvard.edu UUCP: ..harvard!endor!siegel "She told me to make myself comfortable, so I pulled down my pants and sat in the pudding." -Emo Phillips ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Archived as /info-mac/lang/think-pascal-updater-201.hqx; 57K] ------------------------------ End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************