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From: alibaba@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Alexander M. Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: CD's available from Apple?
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Date: 18 May 89 10:41:12 GMT
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In article <1927@internal.Apple.COM> blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel) writes:
>In article <1384@ndmath.UUCP> milo@ndmath.UUCP (Greg Corson) writes:
>> I recently got a newsletter from Apple that talked about a couple of 
>> developer-oriented CD's that will soon be available from Apple.  The 
>> descriptions were pretty brief but one of the CD's was said to be full
>> of "development tools" and "sample code" that would be updated every few
>> months.
>
>You're talking about Developer Helper(tm) Volume 1: Phil and Dave's 
>Excellent CD.  I posted a brief description before; it's got 170 Mbytes of 
>Mac files, 10 Mbtypes of Apple II files, and 28 minutes of audio.  It 
>includes all our system software back to the 128K mac, almost all our 
>foreign language software, all our peripherals software, a nice scattering 
>of utilities such as ResEdit, all the DTS samples sources, and so on.
>
...
>Neither MPW nor Inside Macintosh are on the CD.

This bothers me. It would be really nice to have IM on the CD
in a database format. Then a program similar to Steve Capps's On-Line
Companion could bring up the wording of things to clarify that passing
POINTER(-1) does one thing and nil does another. Unless it doesn't
fit on the disk, I see no reason not to (unless Addison-Wesley has
an objection).

>> Does anybody out there know
>> what is ACTUALLY on these CD's and how much they will cost?
...
>Actually, the costs of pressing a CD are $1500 premastering charge plus 
>$2.00 per CD.  This price seems to be pretty widely available; I know of 
>at least six companies with this price structure (E-mail me if you want 
>names).  At 9000 discs per pressing (we have 9000 certified developers) 
>that's $2.17 per CD.  Yes, it costs considerably less to press the CD than 
>any other distribution media, especially when you consider that you can 
>put 660 Mbytes on a CD.

It was this discovery that led to The Boston Computer Society to press
an updated CD for (almost) every MacWorld expo. In addition, because
there is so much stuff on a CD (typically), people are willing to spend
at least $50 for one. (BCS charges $99 to spread out the mastering charge.)

...
>Certified developers will receive a coupon in the next mailing with a 
>one-time offer of a VERY low price for the AppleCD SC drive.

I haven't read this coupon personally, but is there a limitation on
the number of drives each developer can buy, and if so, how many?

Seeing as how it has all system releases on it, does it also have all
the fonts that Apple has ever published (including the large sizes
for the LQ, AppleFax, and IIsc?) If so, then I could dump less gunk
in my System Folder and use Suitcase II to load all the Fonts and
DAs off the CD (Saving space on the more expensive writable media.)

Also, can somebody please explain why it's Phil and Dave's? Who are
Phil and Dave? 

(oops, sorry, trashed the .signature... It was Brian "blob" Bechtel.)

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